TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Test7]

Compared to previous design images, the distance between two turbofan has increased.

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Another difference caught my attention. The joints angle of the wings with the body have also changed. It was almost 90 degrees

 

[AVCI]

aradaki fark dikkatimi çekti. Kanatların sistem ile ekleme ekleme da değişmiştir. 90 dereceydi

Bir farklılık daha dikkatimi çekti. Kanatların gövde ile eklem açısı da değişmiştir. neredeyse 90 dereceydi

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In this way, we can say that the wing area has increased.

 

[Test7]

In this way, we can say that the wing area has increased.

It may be, it may not be. because it was a 3d model and the wings were quite small relative to the body. Maybe they showed the wing model that should be now. In other words, the wing model in accordance with the described technical data..

 

[Huelague]

Than TF-X has a lover RCS than F-22.
What about RAM Material of the Plane? It has an effect on visibility of the plane too. Do you have their numbers too.

About RAM, anyone knows if Graphene is a radar absorbing material?

 

[Test7]

Turkish Fighter Jet and Indigenous Ammunitions

 

[TheInsider]

Kuzgun is not an air to air missile.

 

[Test7]

Kuzgun is not an air to air missile.

It was showed in the Air to Air section at the press launch. There is a high probability that this version of SUNGUR is being worked on

 

[Philips]

Turkish Fighter Jet and Indigenous Ammunitions

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Kuzgun is not an air to air missile.

It was showed in the Air to Air section at the press launch. There is a high probability that this version of SUNGUR is being worked on

I told you guys not to take the airforce requirements seriously

 

[TheInsider]

This is Kuzgun. There is no way you can use Kuzgun for A-A engagements. Something is wrong here. It might be Tubitak SAGE Akdogan mini A-A missile.

 

[Philips]

This is Kuzgun. There is no way you can use Kuzgun for A-A engagements. Something is wrong here. It might be Tubitak SAGE Akdogan mini A-A missile.

Yesterday you were defending tooth and nail the subpar TurAF requirements as totally legit and now you are reinterpreting them to fit your idea about what it should be?

 

[Test7]

This is Kuzgun. There is no way you can use Kuzgun for A-A engagements. Something is wrong here. It might be Tubitak SAGE Akdogan mini A-A missile.

Mr @TheInsider;
We know what Kuzgun looks like. You can see SPEAR written on the graph. SPEAR' turkish rival is SUNGUR. We may or may not see the A to A version in the future. We just discuss assumptions...

@Defence Turkey

 

[Philips]

Disregard what the air force has to say and listen to SSB and the involved companies and institutions. The TSK sets subpar requirements and the industry provides a much better system.

Akya requirement was 15km, Roketsan made it 30+ km
Hisar A requirement was 10 km, became 15+ km
Hisar O was 25 km became 40+ km
SOM 185 km? became 250+ km
Gokdogan 65km, became more and easily reaches 100km

Perhaps the TSK needs to shed the old notions about the national defense industry and actually set realistic requirements that their industry can support. Or better yet, now they can start demanding better performance so as to not make the industry lazy. Roketsan won't develop NLOS guided weapons like Spike and ALAS by themselves. They need some nudging to do that. That nudging has to come from TSK.

 

[Anmdt]

Akya requirement was 15km, Roketsan made it 30+ km
Hisar A requirement was 10 km, became 15+ km
Hisar O was 25 km became 40+ km
SOM 185 km? became 250+ km
Gokdogan 65km, became more and easily reaches 100km

You don't even know exact requirements set by TAF, so better you don't talk about those.
TAF sets the beam high, they also know the companies can not meet them with reasonable times and budgets, thus they accept products with conditions to be improved.
And sometimes they don't reject products if they see the company is not willing to submit a dedicated plan to improve to their requirements in blocks.

 

[Philips]

TDI: We have this amazing cruise missile that we have purposefully redesigned to fit in an internal weapons bay of a single engine, medium weight fighter!
TurAF: No! We don't want it to be carried internally in our twin engine, heavyweight fighter. It can go under the wings compromising the stealth and thus not able to sneak on our enemy. That wouldn't be kind of us! Thank you!

TDI: We are going to make this TF-X into an air-to-air beast carrying 6 air-to-air missile internally
TurAF: But it has all to be under 1000lb okay? So no more than 3 air-to-air missiles internally!

TDI: We are going to develop the best conformal reconnaissance, targeting and ECM systems we can!
TurAF: Yes! But it has to carry a 40-50 year old and foreign ECM pod externally okay? EHPOD? What is that?

TDI: We are going to make all kinds of air-to-air missiles by our own!
TurAF: Yes! But make sure it can carry MICA and AMRAAM too, otherwise what is the point right?

TDI: We are going to make this fighter have a MTOW of more than 60000lb!
TurAF: Make sure it can't carry more than 1 Mk 83 internally, okay!

TDI: We are going to make this baby fly on 18 March 2025!
TurAF: Erm....no. 18 months later sounds better! Our pilots aren't eager to fly it anyway!

TDI: We have made these small diameter bombs! They just weigh 100kg each and can be quad-packed!
TurAF: But no carry more than 4 internally okay!!


This is no incompetence. This reeks of sabotage. They need another clean-up round against FETO.

 

[Spook]

TDI: We have this amazing cruise missile that we have purposefully redesigned to fit in an internal weapons bay of a single engine, medium weight fighter!
TurAF: No! We don't want it to be carried internally in our twin engine, heavyweight fighter. It can go under the wings compromising the stealth and thus not able to sneak on our enemy. That wouldn't be kind of us! Thank you!

TDI: We are going to make this TF-X into an air-to-air beast carrying 6 air-to-air missile internally
TurAF: But it has all to be under 1000lb okay? So no more than 3 air-to-air missiles internally!

TDI: We are going to develop the best internal reconnaissance, targeting and ECM systems we can!
TurAF: Yes! But it has to carry a 40-50 year old and foreign ECM pod externally okay? EHPOD? What is that?

TDI: We are going to make all kinds of air-to-air missiles by our own!
TurAF: Yes! But make sure it can carry MICA and AMRAAM too, otherwise what is the point right?

TDI: We are going to make this fighter have a MTOW of more than 60000lb!
TurAF: Make sure it can't carry more than 1 Mk 83 internally, okay!

TDI: We are going to make this baby fly on 18 March 2025!
TurAF: Erm....no. 18 months later sounds better! Our pilots aren't eager to fly it anyway!

TDI: We have made these small diameter bombs! They just weigh 100kg each and can be quad-packed!
TurAF: But no carry more than 4 internally okay!!


This is no incompetence. This reeks of sabotage. They need another clean-up round against FETO.

You know that most of foreign payloads were put as placeholders also to show flexibility of the platform for the possible purchasers.

Developing internal bomb bay is very difficult. It would be actually impressive if we get internal bomb bay in the IOC block.

2025 wasn't said by Air Force. It was a "if we can" date by TAI

 

[Tornadoss]

Yesterday you were defending tooth and nail the subpar TurAF requirements as totally legit and now you are reinterpreting them to fit your idea about what it should be?

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The end-user is Airforce so they are the one who will set the minimum requirement, who else would specify the requirements?

 

[TheInsider]

Mr @TheInsider;
We know what Kuzgun looks like. You can see SPEAR written on the graph. SPEAR' turkish rival is SUNGUR. We may or may not see the A to A version in the future. We just discuss assumptions...

@Defence Turkey

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I'm not talking about the article I'm talking about the image you posted. Spear/Mızrak is a different missile than Kuzgun.

 

[Spook]

TDI: We have this amazing cruise missile that we have purposefully redesigned to fit in an internal weapons bay of a single engine, medium weight fighter!
TurAF: No! We don't want it to be carried internally in our twin engine, heavyweight fighter. It can go under the wings compromising the stealth and thus not able to sneak on our enemy. That wouldn't be kind of us! Thank you!

TDI: We are going to make this TF-X into an air-to-air beast carrying 6 air-to-air missile internally
TurAF: But it has all to be under 1000lb okay? So no more than 3 air-to-air missiles internally!

TDI: We are going to develop the best conformal reconnaissance, targeting and ECM systems we can!
TurAF: Yes! But it has to carry a 40-50 year old and foreign ECM pod externally okay? EHPOD? What is that?

TDI: We are going to make all kinds of air-to-air missiles by our own!
TurAF: Yes! But make sure it can carry MICA and AMRAAM too, otherwise what is the point right?

TDI: We are going to make this fighter have a MTOW of more than 60000lb!
TurAF: Make sure it can't carry more than 1 Mk 83 internally, okay!

TDI: We are going to make this baby fly on 18 March 2025!
TurAF: Erm....no. 18 months later sounds better! Our pilots aren't eager to fly it anyway!

TDI: We have made these small diameter bombs! They just weigh 100kg each and can be quad-packed!
TurAF: But no carry more than 4 internally okay!!


This is no incompetence. This reeks of sabotage. They need another clean-up round against FETO.

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MMU/TF-X Projesi sunumunda paylaşılan slaytta kanat altında iki yerine 3 harici yük istasyonu yer alırken, gövde altı dahili silah yuvasının ise yan yana yerleştirilmiş iki ayrı bölümden oluşan yapıdan, tandem şekilde yerleştirilmiş iki ayrı silah yuvası konfigürasyonuna çevrilmiş olması ve faydalı yük kapasitesinin 2.000lb’den 1.000lb’ye düşürülmesi dikkat çekti. Tandem yapı nedeniyle gövde altı silah yuvasının iç hacminde de belli ölçüde bir küçülme olduğu değerlendirilmekte. Bu durumda daha önce gövde altı dahili silah yuvasında taşınması planlanan SOM-J Mühimmatının (Modified SOM-J) bu yeni yapıda gövde altı silah istasyonunda taşınıp taşınamayacağı merak konusu.

Reduction in internal payload most likely has to with aircraft's structure. They probably foretasted the limitations and revised it to tandem config. SOM-J integration still not confirmed.

 

[Test7]

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[Test7]