TR Air Defence Programs

[Sanchez]

First Siper-1 Battery will be accepted in mid. 2024 according to Ceremony. They have it already but it's in test qualification process by the Air Force if i get it right. Because it shows 2023-2024 for first Siper-1 Battery.

I will upload it later.

We can't ascertain if that battery will be delivered to HvKK or even if it did if it will be used as a battery though. I can be wrong tho, that's happened plenty of times in the past. All the better if we are talking about 3 batteries total.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

HvKK to probably use Hisar A+/O together in a single battery?

https://x.com/Fatih_MehmetK/status/1736052454024732828

And going by the graphic, which is based on the graphic from the signature ceremony, TAF to induct 9 Hisar and 2 Siper batteries into the service in the next 6 years?

https://x.com/Defence_Turk/status/1736051224841973794

i dont think images of SAMs in your photo represent 1 battery .
And both airforce and land have ordered them so the numbers are messed up .
As i remember Turkiye made a order of Hisar A/O before ? !

 

[Oublious]

3 batteries for country like us is not much, i assume that SIPER block 2 will be only delivered after block 1 is completed. We will at least need 2 batteries in the agean sea if war breaks out. HISAR for ther airforece is not much, what are they thinking?

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Siper will be very important, because it will provide long Range AD Capabillity and Supplement the S-400. LR Air Defence is important to create AA/AD Zones.

 

[TheInsider]

Why guidance beams? The missiles dont have passive seekers.

I meant illumination.

 

[Ştutgart]

FORTRESS AND SHELF MISSILES ARE READY FOR MASS PRODUCTION

 

[Osman]

What disturb me is that Turkiye aslo pay for its own defence systems in euro or dollar , can someone explain me why and does it mean all that money in euro are for non Turk componets ? If true thats very sad .
Aslo This new order is only for Siper or both aslo hisar O+ . If i remember Turkiye make a order before just for Hisar O+ .
This ~700 million order of Siper if we can assume 1 Siper battery 150 million $
Than with that money just 4 batteries will be bought which are not enough perhaps only Istanbul you can protect with 4 batteries . Whole Turkiye needs 70+ Batteries .

Not just because of foreign components, but Turkish Lira will be devaluated %65 within 3 years according to government's medium term economic plan which is not %100 reliable as you guess. This is the most important factor

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

3 batteries for country like us is not much, i assume that SIPER block 2 will be only delivered after block 1 is completed. We will at least need 2 batteries in the agean sea if war breaks out. HISAR for ther airforece is not much, what are they thinking?

Hisar is good for their short and medium Air Defence Duties, to protect critical Infrastructure or Troop Concentration. Hisar do not provide an AA/AD Capabillity.

There is also the Threat that France will Intervene in an likely Scenario in the Aegean on the Greek Side and could launche a massive Cruise Missile Strike from Fighters, Frigates and Submarines.

With long Range AD Capabillity, the Fighters must not urgently kept for defensive Missions and can be used for more Offensive Missions.

 

[fushkee]

You made a war between us and France. I don’t think that in any conflict between TR and GR, FR will involve directly. They will back GR and that’s all. Or we for sure have surprises for FR as well

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

You made a war between us and France. I don’t think that in any conflict between TR and GR, FR will involve directly. They will back GR and that’s all. Or we for sure have surprises for FR as well

See here: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/7/greece-ratifies-intra-nato-defence-pact-with-france

 

[fushkee]

I don’t care pacts. They are all politics. The reality is war conditions. I don’t think that FR may declare a war at TR directly.

 

[Oublious]

According to a former Millitairy Acedemic Eray Gucluer told in a tv program, that they hit a drone 50cm(SIMSEK drone) long from a distance of 170km with SIPER. He says it goes with mach 5 speeds to the target.

 

[Oublious]

I think it is SIPER Block 2 missile.

 

[UkroTurk]

Still i don't know which one is siper ürün 1 and ürün 2.
They also don't reveal.

 

[Huelague]

According to a former Millitairy Acedemic Eray Gucluer told in a tv program, that they hit a drone 50cm(SIMSEK drone) long from a distance of 170km with SIPER. He says it goes with mach 5 speeds to the target.

Any conformation by officials?

 

[Huelague]

According to a former Millitairy Acedemic Eray Gucluer told in a tv program, that they hit a drone 50cm(SIMSEK drone) long from a distance of 170km with SIPER. He says it goes with mach 5 speeds to the target.

"09:35 min, we will increase the range from 170km to 600km??"

 

[Oublious]

"09:35 min, we will increase the range from 170km to 600km??"

What they mean is hitting BM, also he give the range of Tayfun away and that is 1000km . He even says it can hit ships...

 

[Oublious]

Any conformation by officials?

officials have neither denied nor confirmed….

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

TAF will recieve new AD Systems in the coming Years like Hisar-A +/O+ and Siper, but what is with Gürz and Gökdemir ?

 

[Afif]

TAF will recieve new AD Systems in the coming Years like Hisar-A +/O+ and Siper, but what is with Gürz and Gökdemir ?

Those are probably for export market.
Initially, it doesn't look like Turkish Armed Forces are interested in these systems.