TR Air Defence Programs

[Pokemonte13]

What does Autonomous mean?

 

[Yasar_TR]

What does Autonomous mean?

My understanding is: without someone pressing “fire” button.
System’s own radar recognises threat and it fires an interceptor missile by itself after targeting it.

 

[Khagan1923]

What does Autonomous mean?

Well usually it would mean no human-input. Meaning the System recognized a threat on its own and fired the missiles on its own as well. But here we see the missiles being fired by a person, so who knows.

 

[begturan]

My understanding is: without someone pressing “fire” button.
System’s own radar recognises threat and it fires an interceptor missile by itself after targeting it.

Yes, this makes sense. As far as I understand, autonomous mode is used in a saturation attack on a country. AI coordinates layered air defense systems based on the type of missile launched, directing the most suitable air defense system to the attacking missile, focusing on minimum ammunition and maximum target destruction.

Furthermore, electronic warfare interception and decoy ammunition discrimination should also be factored into the equation.

This should provide benefits such as rapid reaction, prudent use of ammunition, and the ability to select the most suitable weapon and maintain a significant ammunition stockpile effectively.

Thus, if we encounter a situation similar to Iran's ballistic missile attack on Israel, the chain of command will be able to better manage the situation and utilize the ammunition stockpile effectively.

After being subjected to a surprise attack, the command echelon can quickly assess the situation and consider counter moves.

 

[Zafer]

Target plane was under tracking so it won't matter if the missile is fired by a person or by the machine. The person can only know what the machine reports, once firing requirements are fed into the machine it can fire the missile itself.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Well usually it would mean no human-input. Meaning the System recognized a threat on its own and fired the missiles on its own as well. But here we see the missiles being fired by a person, so who knows.

Bro, not usually!
It means “without human intervention”

“Autonomous firing of a missile" means to be able to independently select and engage a target without continuous, real-time human intervention in the critical functions of searching, detecting, identifying, and launching an attack.

 

[OPTIMUS]

Yes, we are helping Germany at the moment. Nothing you said (including your conspiracy theory), Is in contradiction what I have said. I am exposed to nothing, but able to listen Parliamentary Inquiry. Some are denied and some are answered. I listened to this who are asking the defense co-operation between Türkiye and Germanys (secret) defense industry.

Conspiracy theory!!!

Then I ask you, what?

Have you also heard that German weapons deliveries to Israel will resume as normal starting Monday? At Israel's request...

I don't like to say this, but we are exposed to propaganda, it cannot be stopped. And in Germany, Israeli propaganda is always running at full speed.

The reason why the arms deliveries to Israel are being approved, I will tell you now. Hold on tight.

Because Israel is no longer attacking the Gaza Strip so intensely!!!!!

In Germany, politics is determined by industry. It doesn't matter who is in power. Whatever the automotive, pharmaceutical, and weapons industries say is implemented through politics. The end!!!

 

[OPTIMUS]

So that you can understand it better, I would like to post the link here. What is a weapon under German law – please read part 2

www.recht.bund.de/bgbl/1/2024/243/VO.html

 

[Huelague]

Conspiracy theory!!!

Then I ask you, what?

Have you also heard that German weapons deliveries to Israel will resume as normal starting Monday? At Israel's request...

I don't like to say this, but we are exposed to propaganda, it cannot be stopped. And in Germany, Israeli propaganda is always running at full speed.

The reason why the arms deliveries to Israel are being approved, I will tell you now. Hold on tight.

Because Israel is no longer attacking the Gaza Strip so intensely!!!!!

In Germany, politics is determined by industry. It doesn't matter who is in power. Whatever the automotive, pharmaceutical, and weapons industries say is implemented through politics. The end!!!

Im aware of this. Im closely following the BPK.

 

[Afif]

Did you guys watch the video? It seems someone is pressing the 'fire' button.

 

[Sanchez]

What does Autonomous mean?

I think it just means it's not a theater level engagement of the battery but unit level one. We also can't see the search radar(ALP-300G); only the fire control radar(Akrep-1000G) on the video. It's a test of a "blinded" Siper battery without access to its search radar's or of any other systems in the Steel Dome picture.

It has nothing to do with AI features.

 

[Ripley]

I think it just means it's not a theater level engagement of the battery but unit level one. We also can't see the search radar(ALP-300G); only the fire control radar(Akrep-1000G) on the video. It's a test of a "blinded" Siper battery without access to its search radar's or of any other systems in the Steel Shield picture.

It has nothing to do with AI features.

So, it’s a standalone unit cut off from network working in full automation (human still in the loop), right?

 

[Yasar_TR]

I think it just means it's not a theater level engagement of the battery but unit level one. We also can't see the search radar(ALP-300G); only the fire control radar(Akrep-1000G) on the video. It's a test of a "blinded" Siper battery without access to its search radar's or of any other systems in the Steel Shield picture.

It has nothing to do with AI features.

So let me try to understand this and translate it for us mere mortals:
There was no search radar present with the unit. It received search data from elsewhere. It was manually fired and fire control radar and/or its onboard seeker guided it to target.

So, it’s a standalone unit cut off from network working in full automation (human still in the loop), right?

That shouldn’t work. It has to receive data from a search radar regrading the presence and position of target. It is not cut off from network. On the contrary. It is connected. But not sending signals to protect its position from being discovered.

At least that is what I understand from @Sanchez ’s explanation . Please correct me if I am wrong.


EDIT:

Also the Turkish word “Otonom” being of foreign origin is most likely used in slightly different meaning here.

 

[Afif]

So let me try to understand this and translate it for us mere mortals:
There was no search radar present with the unit. It received search data from elsewhere. It was manually fired and fire control radar and/or its onboard seeker guided it to target.


That shouldn’t work. It has to receive data from a search radar regrading the presence and position of target. It is not cut off from network. On the contrary. It is connected. But not sending signals to protect its position from being discovered.

At least that is what I understand from @Sanchez ’s explanation . Please correct me if I am wrong.


EDIT:

Also the Turkish word “Otonom” being of foreign origin is most likely used in slightly different meaning here.

I think AKREP-1000G can perform both search and track in emergency situation (where primary search radar is out of commission) as it is in principle a Multi-function AESA array.

This test was meant to demonstrate that.

Atleast this is what I understood from @Sanchez 'blinded' unit level engagement comment.

 

[Sanchez]

I think AKREP-1000G can perform both search and track in emergency situation (where primary search radar is out of commission) as it is in principle a Multi-function AESA array.

This test was meant to demonstrate that.

Atleast this is what I understood from @Sanchez 'blinded' unit level engagement comment.

Indeed, Akrep-1000G is multifunction radar capable of undertaking search duties as well:

"AKREP 1000-G is a radar system developed with Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) architecture, capable of both rotating and stationary operation, performing search and precision tracking functions."

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/aselsan_dergi_120_092024.pdf

Also the Turkish word “Otonom” being of foreign origin is most likely used in slightly different meaning here.

Think of Hisar A+ Otonom, it's also designed to be able to work by itself, not as part of the whole architecture. There's nothing "autonomous" as in unmanned about it, except for being a system that can undertake all its mission set by itself. Word here mean something like "All-in-One", not unmanned. Like Spyder AiO.

Another example would be Korkut. A "Korkut System" is 3 fires vehicles and a command vehicle. But each fires vehicle can also work autonomously by themselves utilizing stricter search functions like their tracking radar and EO systems, without the MAR search radar on the command vehicle.

 

[boredaf]

A more detailed look at MKE Tolga from Savunmasanayist

And here is the article

MKE TOLGA'nın Ölçekli Şahid-136'yı Düşürdüğü Anlar | SavunmaSanayiST

MKE’nin Mini Mikro İHA ve Kamikaze FPV dronlara karşı geliştirdiği TOLGA, ilk atış testlerinde üstün performans gösterdi ve gösterim yerinde izlendi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Apparently, 35mm cannon is planned to be included in the system in 2026.

 

[Pokemonte13]

he said that the 12.7 is also airburst

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1993611939071533109

new 6.5 Billion $ contract signed for airdefence systems and (offensiv) missiles

 

[Pokemonte13]

ASELSAN Expresses Interest in Space-Based Missile Defence | TURDEF

In a recent article on integrated air defence and the future threats, ASELSAN expressed interest in the development of space-based lasers and kinetic systems.

turdef.com

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1998991077328474325

''Starting from 2026 Aselsan will deliver 100 Systems/Components of celik kubbe annually.''
No idea if they mean complete systems or just the single vehicles. A single hisar battery consist of 8 vehicles.