TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Radonsider]

That's what they're going for most likely!

Tempest confirmed1!1!1!


Source: I made it up



Jokes aside I really want a Tempest partnership

 

[MADDOG]

Tempest confirmed1!1!1!


Source: I made it up



Jokes aside I really want a Tempest partnership

I would personally want the Tempest to reach a mature enough level first. Dunno if it's just me. It is a very ambitious project and I would not prefer TAI to get themselves tangled up with it. Maybe after the first flight of the demonstrator...

 

[Radonsider]

I would personally want the Tempest to reach a mature enough level first. Dunno if it's just me. It is a very ambitious project and I would not prefer TAI to get themselves tangled up with it. Maybe after the first flight of the demonstrator...

That also makes sense but increasing cooperation over time and milestones while getting into project early makes sense

 

[what]

BAE Systems presented a new job opening two days ago.

Project Manager- TF-X

-Working jointly with TAI & BAE Systems Programme team and the TAI Project control teams to deliver the TF-X contractual obligations in support of FCC scope.

--Customer Relationship management between in country (Turkey) and back office (Warton) sites. Enact Contract Closure measures to enable transition to Stage II of the TF-X Programme. Manage PM team in country and support TAI IPT delivery teams to generate sales for the contract.

They wouldnt hire someone for the position if they were not expecting the partnership to continue. So by the looks of it we will most likely continue to work with BAE.

 

[MADDOG]

That also makes sense but increasing cooperation over time and milestones while getting into project early makes sense

Aiding other companies that are on the program on very specific disciplines and producing bits and pieces without putting too much strain on TAI is an acceptable level of cooperation for now I think. Full commitment to the program isn't necessary for the time being imo.

 

[zio]

Authors says that the use of tracking and EW jamming at same time is ideal because you reduce your enemies capability with keeping yours,but if you do this two job on one aesa radar is not,you sacrifice at least one of them,otherwise yıu lost effectiveness,I am talking about stand in not stand off position.Electronic war pods will not outdated.Tubitak says they completed EW pod prototype,so we can expect to see on F16 özgür.Finally F16 özgür with GaN aesa,EW pod ,aselpod version 2,and ramjet AA missile or extended range Gökdoğan will be very good aircraft.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

A very ambitious statement about two very serious products came from the Turkish officials. Both systems are game changers in air superiority.

First, MURAD AESA radar powered by GaN-based ABmicronano transistors will be superior than APG-83.
The second explanation is that the Gokhan missile will have superior capabilities than its counterparts.

Now, when you combine these two systems on the same platform like F16, a giant technological superiority opportunity will emerge that can engage enemy aircrafts from hundreds of kilometers away. We will also see the times when remote unmanned unit can launch a Gokhan missile to a target detected by IHA-Radar, or IHA-SOJ guarantee MIUS or TISU to kill its targets in air engagements by electronically attacking the enemy Rf emitters/receivers with its GaN HEMT AESA jammer sensors.

 

[zio]

Game is changing more than Greeks suppose.They will pay extra money to upgrade for the new Rafales,if it is possible near future.

 

[Radonsider]

Game is changing more than Greeks suppose.They will pay extra money to upgrade for the new Rafales,if it is possible near future.

Even if they do, they won't match this capability

 

[Afif]

Even if they do, they won't match this capability

i think rafale f4 version will have an upgraded aesa

 

[Radonsider]

i think rafale f4 version will have an upgraded aesa

But yet they won't be able to reach the operational capability, even though they get something equivalent to MURAD...

 

[Afif]

Authors says that the use of tracking and EW jamming at same time is ideal because you reduce your enemies capability with keeping yours,but if you do this two job on one aesa radar is not,you sacrifice at least one of them,otherwise yıu lost effectiveness,I am talking about stand in not stand off position.Electronic war pods will not outdated.Tubitak says they completed EW pod prototype,so we can expect to see on F16 özgür.Finally F16 özgür with GaN aesa,EW pod ,aselpod version 2,and ramjet AA missile or extended range Gökdoğan will be very good aircraft.

you can barely do anything with self protection pod against an aesa like apg 83.

 

[Afif]

But yet they won't be able to reach the operational capability, even though they get something equivalent to MURAD...

why not ?

 

[Radonsider]

why not ?

They don't have support platforms, and don't expect something abysmal from new AESA because that would need a new nose cone, Rafale radome is small thus around 800 T/R modules

 

[zio]

Rafale is a small aitcraft and carry a lot of huge dropped tanks that means more RCS.Greeks asking to get meteor missiles to their F16 V s but Americans do not give permission to do that.Air superiority can be ralated too many factors but if we get it down to simple solution is,longe range AA missiles,GaN based aesa radars,stealthy,network centric and EW warfare.

 

[Afif]

Rafale is a small aitcraft and carry a lot of huge dropped tanks that means more RCS.Greeks asking to get meteor missiles to their F16 V s but Americans do not give permission to do that.

iirc even with a drop tanks under the fuselage rafale has better rcs than f16.

 

[TheInsider]

i think rafale f4 version will have an upgraded aesa

I don't think a bigger AESA can be fit in that nose? RBE2 has 838 GaAs T/R modules. The best that can be done is probably to switch to a similarly sized GaN AESA. BTW neither RBE2 nor APG-83 SABR have necessary capabilities to fully take advantage of Meteor missile.

 

[Radonsider]

iirc even with a drop tanks under the fuselage rafale has better rcs than f16.

That's simply not possible

 

[Afif]

That's simply not possible

why not ?

 

[zio]

iirc even with a drop tanks under the fuselage rafale has better rcs than f16.

Only with a small percent 1 to 1.2.