TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Zafer]

TF-10000 is too small for Hürjet, F404 gives nearly 40% more dry and 80% more wet thrust.

Looking at how rapidly Hürjet is maturing a twin engine version will probably mature just as fast. Kaan is twin engine, pilots should be trained on a twin engine aircraft.

 

[Sanchez]

Looking at how rapidly Hürjet is maturing a twin engine version will probably mature just as fast. Kaan is twin engine, pilots should be trained on a twin engine aircraft.

If the B-0 delivery date to AF is being updated from 2025 to 2027, can we safely say it's maturing at the indicated rate?

 

[what]

Kotils timelines were always overly optimistic imo. That was his management style.
But looks like others have to now clean up the mess.

 

[Zafer]

If the B-0 delivery date to AF is being updated from 2025 to 2027, can we safely say it's maturing at the indicated rate?

We don't know the actual reason. It is probably because of supply chain issues rather than the maturing.

 

[Merzifonlu]

It is probably because of supply chain issues rather than the maturing.

+1

There were probably two developments. 1- Foreign components could not be supplied for mass production. 2- Localization of foreign components used in the prototype was delayed due to budget cuts. Local components will be awaited for mass production.

 

[Sanchez]

Hürjet program update:

"Delivery of 4 Block-0 aircraft in 2027 and 12 Block-1 aircraft with the same configuration in 2028-2029"

Original announced calendar was 4 Block-0 aircraft for air force testing in by the end of 2025 and 12 Block-1s until end of 2028. 2 year delay, which will inevitably delay the type's acceptance by the air force.

HÜRJET teslimatında TUSAŞ'ın hedefi 2026

"2027 yılında 4 adet Blok-0 ve 2028-2029 yıllarında aynı konfigürasyona sahip 12 adet Blok-1 uçaklarının teslimatı öngörülmekte."

www.defenceturk.net

Tolga Özbek instead claims first delivery date is not 2027 but 2026.

"Following today's news that the HÜRJET will be delivered in 2027, I spoke to TAI sources. Although the SSB reports indicated that the delivery date was 2027, this date was brought forward to 2026. TAI attaches great importance to this date. Because 2026 is very important for the Turkish Air Force, as well as for exports.
In our interview with General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu at Farnborough, he gave the date 2026."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1839545797924311475

 

[Strong AI]

Recalling that HÜRJET has conducted flights in Spain and Egypt, Demiroğlu continued:

"It received a great deal of interest in Egypt. We are in discussions with Egypt. It went to Spain in Europe, and we are in talks with them as well. We are very hopeful. HÜRJET will truly fill a significant gap in its field. Its design as both a supersonic aircraft and a light attack and training aircraft allows for a wide range of configurations and uses. We hope to begin our deliveries to the Turkish Air Force within 2026. That is our current plan. We don't see any issues there. Even if some minor challenges arise, we are resolving them. There is no change in the delivery target for 2026."

GÖKBEY helikopteri ilk teslimata gün sayıyor

Ekonomi - TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu, yerli imkanlarla geliştirilip üretilen genel maksat helikopteri T625 GÖKBEY'in ilk teslimatına ilişkin, "O teslimatı, bu ay içinde, belki 29 Ekim'de veya daha önce göreceğiz" dedi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

 

[Sanchez]

We hope to begin our deliveries to the Turkish Air Force within 2026. That is our current plan. We don't see any issues there. Even if some minor challenges arise, we are resolving them. There is no change in the delivery target for 2026.

To sum up: 2025 delivery date remains unchanged and as planned, 2025 delivery will be made in 2026, not 2027.

 

[Oublious]

A potential chance of export in 2025 for the Hurjet.

 

[Chocopie]

Demiroğlu continued:
"It received a great deal of interest in Egypt. We are in discussions with Egypt. It went to Spain in Europe, and we are in talks with them as well. We are very hopeful. HÜRJET will truly fill a significant gap in its field. Its design as both a supersonic aircraft and a light attack and training aircraft allows for a wide range of configurations and uses."

Is this big gap in its field with us in this room right now? Or is he deliberately not mentioning the elephant in the room?

There‘s no gap in this field for 20 years.
T-50 = supersonic trainer jet
TA-50 = lead-in fighter trainer
FA-50 Block I = light combat aircraft
FA-50 Block II = light multi-role fighter

No problems with TAI entering with Hürjet the export market but can‘t take such misleading statements serious.

 

[boredaf]

Is this big gap in its field with us in this room right now? Or is he deliberately not mentioning the elephant in the room?

There‘s no gap in this field for 20 years.
T-50 = supersonic trainer jet
TA-50 = lead-in fighter trainer
FA-50 Block I = light combat aircraft
FA-50 Block II = light multi-role fighter

No problems with TAI entering with Hürjet the export market but can‘t take such misleading statements serious.

I agree with you there, even beyond T-50 there are other options in the market. TAI's statements when it comes to Hürjet have been more like a salesman trying to hawk their product no matter what they might have to say. I was hoping that trend would die out after Kotil left but apparently not.

This is especially jarring since we don't have an engine in works for it either, so all these talks about light attack version is getting exported is just theoretical at best. And I don't even want to comment on Hürjet being the fighter of choice for our future carrier..

 

[Zafer]

Is this big gap in its field with us in this room right now? Or is he deliberately not mentioning the elephant in the room?

There‘s no gap in this field for 20 years.
T-50 = supersonic trainer jet
TA-50 = lead-in fighter trainer
FA-50 Block I = light combat aircraft
FA-50 Block II = light multi-role fighter

No problems with TAI entering with Hürjet the export market but can‘t take such misleading statements serious.

Obviously not all users want to by Korean. That elephant in the room need to chill and chose a corner of the room to sit rather than spreading all over the place.

 

[Chocopie]

Obviously not all users want to by Korean. That elephant in the room need to chill and chose a corner of the room to sit rather than spreading all over the place.

Oh, I‘m chill. It‘s not the point of buying Korean, US, Chinese, Russian, Italian or Turkish trainer jets. He, as a CEO of an internationally operating aerospace company, states an imagined gap in a field where there is none. It‘s about credibility in his field of work.

Btw, I can spread whereever I want here. U dunno own this place, do yah?

 

[Huelague]

He, as a CEO

Whom do you mean?

 

[Zafer]

Oh, I‘m chill. It‘s not the point of buying Korean, US, Chinese, Russian, Italian or Turkish trainer jets. He, as a CEO of an internationally operating aerospace company, states an imagined gap in a field where there is none. It‘s about credibility in his field of work.

Btw, I can spread whereever I want here. U dunno own this place, do yah?

You spread all you want but KAI can have a hard time. You are not the elephant, are you.

 

[Chocopie]

Whom do you mean?

Mr. Demiroglu from the interview.

 

[Chocopie]

You spread all you want but KAI can have a hard time. You are not the elephant, are you.

You‘re missing the whole point of the argument and deflecting to points that are irrelevant.

 

[Zafer]

You‘re missing the whole point of the argument and deflecting to points that are irrelevant.

It is you who missing the point, there is a big market that KAI have not been able to capture which may be addressed by TAI.

 

[Chocopie]

It is you who missing the point, there is a big market that KAI have not been able to capture which may be addressed by TAI.

That‘s not what he meant. He wasn‘t talking about potential customer markets that competitors might have missed - he talks about a product gap in the field of advanced supersonic trainer jet + LCA/light fighter design which is obviously false.

"HÜRJET will truly fill a significant gap in its field. Its design as both a supersonic aircraft and a light attack and training aircraft allows for a wide range of configurations and uses."

 

[Yasar_TR]

Firstly let us calm down a bit.
In the western world, there are only 2 active supersonic trainer aircraft brands; T-38 Talon and KAI-T50
Since T-38 is more or less obsolete, the playing field is open to KAI-T50 at the moment.
Considering the very fact that most modern airforces are aspiring to add supersonic 5th generation aircrafts in to their inventory and will be needing supersonic trainers to prepare their pilots, it is rather a weak argument to say that KAI-T50 is enough for the market needs.

So, for Mr Demiroglu, to state that there is a significant gap in modern trainer requirement is not wrong.
Given that KAI has an early start gives them a distinct advantage with T50 plane. But if Tusas can start building serially produced planes soon, it will bring Hurjet in to the race as well.