Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Umigami]

Baby Raptor

Double seater looks better afterall

 

[Gundala]

Keep the hype HIGH

Yea.... back then when they first introduced F15 up until now I still like the F14 Tomcat better then eagle (they way it looks).
In TNI AU inventory, those hawk really dont have any good looking angle, somehow to me they look "bantet" . T50i looks better

 

[FPXAllen]

Baby Raptor
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Double seater looks better afterall
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Now here's a billion Rupiah question:

Regarding the two seater version, will it be a trainer? Multi-role strike aircraft à la F-15E / Su-30? Electronic warfare specialist? Or what?

What seems obvious from the illustration is that the dual seater will have less fuel capacity. With additional weight of second seat and second set of avionics it will mean that its combat radius and endurance will also be reduced.

 

[Umigami]

Now here's a billion Rupiah question:

Regarding the two seater version, will it be a trainer? Multi-role strike aircraft à la F-15E / Su-30? Electronic warfare specialist? Or what?

What seems obvious from the illustration is that the dual seater will have less fuel capacity. With additional weight of second seat and second set of avionics it will mean that its combat radius and endurance will also be reduced.

Like almost any other double seater fighter variant.

My statement was just for in term of looks only.

 

[FPXAllen]

Like almost any other double seater fighter variant.

My statement was just for in term of looks only.

Err, I didn't mean it as a jab to your statement. Sorry if you took it that way.

And indeed, most dual seater variants of single seater jets are just like that. So in KF-21 case, that makes me wonder what will the dual seater KF-21 will be used for, as a strike aircraft? Trainer? or both?

 

[Umigami]

Err, I didn't mean it as a jab to your statement. Sorry if you took it that way.

And indeed, most dual seater variants of single seater jets are just like that. So in KF-21 case, that makes me wonder what will the dual seater KF-21 will be used for, as a strike aircraft? Trainer? or both?

Just like B, D, F of F16 I guess

 

[HellFireIndo]

Baby Raptor

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Beautiful, and it will be more beautiful if we just contributes more and get these babies down here

 

[Indos]

Beautiful, and it will be more beautiful if we just contributes more and get these babies down here

I believe we still have last year left over stimulus budget. Presiden can just redirect it to pay KF-21 development cost that become our responsibility, no need to listen to Sri Mulyani or others economic minister. Just like what happen when Pertamina oil tank get burned, don be so greedy and overthinking.......money can be wiped out just like that.

With the price of 65 million USD of KF-21 per unit for selling, our investment will be very likely come back and with possible good profit as well, not to mention the positive impact to our Aerospace Industry and Aerospace Industry Ecosystem if we really think big and start making road map to include other companies to develop IFX

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1381785761826082816

Japan got EPAWWS.

About KFX, my understanding until now is IFX and KFX will use the same (hanwha) system: avionics, IRST, etc. The only differences are just a minor thing like IFX got bigger drop tank and drag chute.

But some people out there say we have to develop or buy a lot of system by ourself (radar, irst, engine, etc)

Am I the one who's wrong here?

 

[Umigami]

https://www.facebook.com/181276675314017/posts/3557045057737145

 

[NEKO]

Congratulations to South Korea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1373449168996462594

Pertamina oil tank get burned,

And a few days before that our flanker conducting exercise attacking pertamina oil tank.

 

[Indos]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1381785761826082816

Japan got EPAWWS.

About KFX, my understanding until now is IFX and KFX will use the same (hanwha) system: avionics, IRST, etc. The only differences are just a minor thing like IFX got bigger drop tank and drag chute.

But some people out there say we have to develop or buy a lot of system by ourself (radar, irst, engine, etc)

Am I the one who's wrong here?

KFX/IFX is similar, only the refueling system that is different, but there maybe potency to use other subsystem like from our domestic industry, but it is of course a long term plan, Info Global actually has proposed their avionics system and Mindef has visited InfoGlobal to know its development in relation with IFX program.

 

[Umigami]

KFX/IFX is similar, only the refueling system that is different, but there maybe potency to use other system like from our domestic industry, but it is a long term plan, Info Global actually has proposed their system and Mindef has visited InfoGlobal to know their avionics development in relation with IFX program.

I bet it's not something really crucial like AESA or IRST. Maybe some instruments in cockpit (HUD, touch screen, etc) ?

 

[Indos]

I bet it's not something really crucial like AESA or IRST. Maybe some instruments in cockpit (HUD, touch screen, etc) ?

AESA or IRST I believe only LEN can make it with participation from ITB/LIPI, but that is long term. Yup InfoGlobal as we know has offered this in 2016, maybe they can make it better this 2021, I propose Hawk should be upgraded again using InfoGlobal newer products.


During Indodefense 2016

 

[Mandala]

13 APRIL 2021

Indonesia receives first batch of Chinese-made AR-2 missiles for its CH-4 UAVs​

by Ridzwan Rahmat

The Indonesian military has received its first batch of Chinese-made AR-2 air-to-surface, precision-guided missiles.

A CH-5 UAV at Airshow China 2016, fitted with four AR-1 (blue) and four AR-2 (white) missiles. The Indonesian Air Force test-fired the AR-1 missiles from its CH-4 UAVs in 2019, and recently took delivery of an initial batch of of AR-2s. (Janes/Kelvin Wong)

Information and images provided to Janes indicate that the weapons, which will be deployed on the Indonesian Air Force’s (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Udara: TNI-AU’s) CH-4 medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), arrived at the service’s main ammunition depot on the Iswahyudi Air Force Base on 8 April.

These images also indicate that the missiles, which were packed in crates of two projectiles each, were delivered in a shipping container that also included an undisclosed number of pylons and rail launchers.

The AR-2 relies on its inertial guidance system for mid-course updates and on its semi-active laser (SAL) seeker for terminal homing. The weapon can carry a 5 kg armour-piercing warhead and has a maximum range of about 8 km.

The TNI-AU currently operates a fleet of six CH-4 UAVs, the first two of which made their public debut in October 2019. The CH-4 variant supplied to Indonesia has an operating radius of between 1,500 km and 2,000 km and can be operated via satellite link.

The TNI-AU’s CH-4s were also seen armed with the larger AR-1 missiles during a 2019 exercise in East Java, Indonesia.

Indonesia receives first batch of Chinese-made AR-2 missiles for its CH-4 UAVs

The Indonesian military has received its first batch of Chinese-made AR-2 air-to-surface, precision-guided missiles.

www.janes.com

 

[joedhie2k]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1381785761826082816

Japan got EPAWWS.

About KFX, my understanding until now is IFX and KFX will use the same (hanwha) system: avionics, IRST, etc. The only differences are just a minor thing like IFX got bigger drop tank and drag chute.

But some people out there say we have to develop or buy a lot of system by ourself (radar, irst, engine, etc)

Am I the one who's wrong here?

Even when buying regular planes like falcon, the buyer will still need to buy radar, additional avionics, and engines separately. Its just bundled into single contract.

That is why the buyer can have airframes without radar or engine. Even RAF have had this situation when their Tornado F1 do CAP without radar.

 

[chiphocks]

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Keep the hype HIGH

I think they missing something....
hmmm

That's IT....

 

[Umigami]

I think they missing something....
hmmm
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That's IT....

DEWWS is enough for me

 

[Umigami]

AESA or IRST I believe only LEN can make it with participation from ITB/LIPI, but that is long term. Yup InfoGlobal as we know has offered this in 2016, maybe they can make it better this 2021, I propose Hawk should be upgraded again using InfoGlobal newer products.


During Indodefense 2016

Why there is J20 there?
I hope they have nothing to do with chinese.

 

[R4duga]

Why there is J20 there?
I hope they have nothing to do with chinese.

KF-X used to have two prototype proposal , one of them is with canards , ill guess in the end we'd go with C100 proposal .