TR Land Vehicle Programs

[TheInsider]

BMCs factory will be ready in 2025 but it won't instantly chunk out 1500hp engines. There will be training, trial production, etc. Similar to the TOGG factory.

 

[UkroTurk]

IT won't be a better tank in the end. It doesn't matter if we upgrade the electronics again. The doctrine and the tank design itself is outdated.

If they added OMTAS ATGM on the turret of Otokar Tulpar or FNSS Kaplan 30ton IFV, the 30 ton vehicle with 30mm auto cannon and 2 OMTAS would be safer, more lethal and more efficient than current modernized M60s.
Until ALTAY have been mass produced, such IFV would help a lot.
They should have also added ATGMs on modernized m113IFVs with unmanned turret, but they didn't... Although it wouldn't be a complicated and expensive solution.

 

[Zafer]

IT won't be a better tank in the end. It doesn't matter if we upgrade the electronics again. The doctrine and the tank design itself is outdated.

Every technology gets outdated in a few short years, you need to settle for one at some point to make it go live.

I think a drone carrier vehicle deploying drones that can ferry a single ammunition to a target can replace tanks. These drones are eVTOL drones that can fly like 20 minutes and ferry explosives to the door of the target. Most suitable for urban warfare.

 

[Huelague]

If they added OMTAS ATGM on the turret of Otokar Tulpar

They did already.

 

[Tornadoss]

If they added OMTAS ATGM on the turret of Otokar Tulpar or FNSS Kaplan 30ton IFV, the 30 ton vehicle with 30mm auto cannon and 2 OMTAS would be safer, more lethal and more efficient than current modernized M60s.
Until ALTAY have been mass produced, such IFV would help a lot.
They should have also added ATGMs on modernized m113IFVs with unmanned turret, but they didn't... Although it wouldn't be a complicated and expensive solution.
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Yeah they definitely need some ATGM with the IFV. There was an animation for CV-90 where they were targeting the tanks sensors first with airburst ammunition to eliminate the APS and then firing the ATGM to eliminate the tank itself. Not a bad concept if you are able to ambush the tank.

 

[UkroTurk]

They did already.

Yeah absolutely. İ forgot about Otokar.
But Otokar Tulpar is black goat . Would they choose Koç's Tulpar?
But AFAIK FNSS Kaplan30's turret doesn't have ATGMlauncher.

Laser guided relatively cheaper UMTAS ATGMS would be great for IFVs. Nightmare of MBTs.

They could engage slow and low flying air targets such as helicopters, UAVs.

Roketsan - L-UMTAS Laser Guided Long-Range Anti-Tank Missile System

www.roketsan.com.tr

 

[Stimpy75]

Black Goat? assembling with parts from all over the world except from home and then beeing labeled as such ? Good!
If you could plz tell me how % of the Tulpar is from Türkiye, then i will apologize ofc

 

[Tornadoss]

Black Goat? assembling with parts from all over the world except from home and then beeing labeled as such ? Good!
If you could plz tell me how % of the Tulpar is from Türkiye, then i will apologize ofc

Can not talk about Tulpar but they claimed to increased the localization percentage on the Amra II. So, if it would be a requirement for the Tracked-IFV tender they would have also done the same with Tulpar.

8x8 Tekerlekli Zırhlı Araç | Otokar

8x8 taktik tekerlekli zırhlı araçları, Otokar'ın dünya çapındaki lojistik desteği ile de en zor zamanlarda bile daima Silahlı Kuvvetlerimizin yanında.

defense.otokar.com.tr

The ARMA II, whose localization rate has been increased, plays an important role in reducing Turkey's foreign dependence in land systems. ARMA II features a suspension system and transfer case designed and produced by Otokar with its own resources, while national design and locally produced subsystems, including the cooling package, are preferred.
ARMA II is offered to users with two different engine options, one of which is indigenous.

 

[BaburKhan]

Otokar Arma entered Service with Yener Mine Detection System, do we also rely on foreign Engines for Arma ?

ASELSAN's Yener GPR Entered the Inventory with OTOKAR ARMA
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9 December, 18:38

ASELSAN's Yener GPR Entered the Inventory with OTOKAR ARMA
ASELSAN's GPR and Otokar's ARMA 8x8 vehicle entered the inventory for the first time in Turkiye with YENER Modern Mine Detection System project.
Anadolu News Agency published a comprehensive news article about the project that ASELSAN CEO Ahmet Akyol announced on his account on November 23.
ASELSAN developed the Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) to detect and identify mines and improvised explosive devices (IEDs) for the YENER Project. YENER, which can work when the connected platform is moving or stationary, can cooperate with the GERGEDAN electronic jamming and suppression system. The system can be integrated into armoured vehicles or unmanned ground vehicles.

ASELSAN's Yener GPR Entered the Inventory with OTOKAR ARMA | TURDEF

ASELSAN's GPR and Otokar's ARMA 8x8 vehicle entered the inventory for the first time in Turkiye with YENER Modern Mine Detection System project.

www.turdef.com

 

[Tornadoss]

Otokar Arma entered Service with Yener Mine Detection System, do we also rely on foreign Engines for Arma ?

ASELSAN's Yener GPR Entered the Inventory with OTOKAR ARMA | TURDEF

ASELSAN's GPR and Otokar's ARMA 8x8 vehicle entered the inventory for the first time in Turkiye with YENER Modern Mine Detection System project.

www.turdef.com

AFaik it's just 1 system. Anda afaik there was one Arma of Gendarmerie maybe for the test purpose.
Arma is using Caterpillar C9 engine according to sources. On the other hand Arma II is using Ford-Otoson Ecotorq engine.

 

[Huelague]

Black Goat? assembling with parts from all over the world except from home and then beeing labeled as such ? Good!
If you could plz tell me how % of the Tulpar is from Türkiye, then i will apologize ofc

Algeria ordered 200 vehicles. Forget which ones (Cobra II?)

 

[Stimpy75]

Morocco Orders 200 Cobra II Armored Vehicles From Otokar

The Royal Moroccan Armed Forces (FAR) recently ordered 200 COBRA II armored vehicles from Turkey's leading ground system manufacturer, Otokar.

www.overtdefense.com

 

[Huelague]

Morocco Orders 200 Cobra II Armored Vehicles From Otokar

The Royal Moroccan Armed Forces (FAR) recently ordered 200 COBRA II armored vehicles from Turkey's leading ground system manufacturer, Otokar.

www.overtdefense.com

Right.

 

[TheInsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750069734006022285

Interesting briefing at #IAV24 about how German thinking is influencing the next generation main battle tank for the MGCS project.
Potential features:
Weight reduction to 50 tonnes - more compact design
Mobility, mobility, mobility - high power to weight ratio
System of systems approach - common platform with different types including gun tank, missile launcher, and uncrewed air defence wingman
Likely to have a larger gun - 130 mm / 140 mm and capacity to fire NLOS ATGMs
Uncrewed turret Three-person crew located in the hull
Integral APS / SHORAD capability
Hybrid electric drive with 1,800 hp
Passive and Reactive protection
Front-mounted engine
Conceptual illustration shows possible layout. Interesting that MGCS and Abrams X follow T-14 configuration.
One thing seems certain: crewed turrets are finished.

 

[Strong AI]

Armored Combat Vehicles (ACV), modernized under the main contractor of ASELSAN, serve with high situational awareness, firepower and survivability capabilities.

 

[Sanchez]

Leonardo Hitfact MK2 that can carry a 105mm or a 120mm gun to be added to Tulpar. Interesting pick that is not a Cockerill for once.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753384803880026582

 

[Sanchez]

Leonardo Hitfact MK2 that can carry a 105mm or a 120mm gun to be added to Tulpar. Interesting pick that is not a Cockerill for once.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753384803880026582

Welp, here it is. Looks to me like it's the 120mm gun, can't be certain tho. If it is, this would be the first Turkish IFV with a 120mm gun.

 

[Fairon]

Welp, here it is. Looks to me like it's the 120mm gun, can't be certain tho. If it is, this would be the first Turkish IFV with a 120mm gun.

Turkish Marines are probably drooling right now.

I wonder can Otokar also be able to integrate this turret to Arma 2 as well. It looks beefy enough.(Arma 2)

 

[Sanchez]

I absolutely do not think army or navy would get an AFV with a foreign turret after all this. This is either for an ongoing tender or it will be marketed in the future.

It does look pretty awesome tho.

 

[Stimpy75]

Oh look.... The percentage of made in Türkiye? 3-4 % is my guess and I am sure it's quite cheap (not!)
And before the Otokar chill come wining, for export, quite good vehicle but for TSK, never ever.... Which imho is good thing