TR Navy Naval Programs

[Sanchez]

Did you noticed the VLS? It looks bigger than on the first I-class, seems like it will have MIDLAS strike variant or for larger missiles such as SIPER Blk2.

Yes, following Istifs will have the taller "strike length" MIDLAS launch systems.

 

[Khagan1923]

Yes, following Istifs will have the taller "strike length" MIDLAS launch systems.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787648071918408158

Yup this was confirmed earlier last year at DSA.

I think depending on how fast development goes with our PDMS projects we might see the second batch be equipped with an PDMS CIWS instead of Gökdeniz.

My question would be with ATOM 25MM being introduced by Aselsan, could we see SMASH 25MM ATOM+Göksür/Levent in future configs.

 

[valarmogu]

Turkiye launches another Istiff Class Frigate TCG IZMIR

Multi-role 'I' Class Frigate is capable of efficiently carrying out anti-submarine, anti-surface and anti-air warfare, patrolling activities, reconnaissance, surveillance, target detection, identification, recognition, and early warning missions. Thus, the Frigate is equipped with all sophisticated sensors and weapons regarding all principle warfares mainly AAW.

TCG İzmir (F-516) Fırkateyni Denize İndirildi! - ULU Savunma

Türk donanmasının ana omurgasını oluşturacak İstif sınıfı MİLGEM fırkateynlerinden TCG İzmir (F-516) ve İzmit (F-517) aynı gün denize indirildi.

www.ulusavunma.com

 

[Sanchez]

Many news from ASFAT today.

"One of the two HİSAR-class Offshore Patrol Vessels produced by ASFAT may be exported to a European country before entering the inventory."

Country in question maybe Romania, we've heard about a possible OPV sale to Romania for the last few months.

"Negotiations are ongoing for frigate exports to Saudi Arabia. 2 ships are planned to be produced in Turkey and 3 ships in Saudi Arabia. An Istif class based design is being proposed."
Aselsan's 2023 report mentioned a frigate sale to a Gulf country, looks to be on track.

"ASFAT signed the Phase-1 design agreement for the TF-2000. Phase-1 will cover the design and production of some parts of the ship. Phase-2 will involve prototype production of the ship."

"Within the scope of the "National Submarine" MİLDEN Project, ASFAT was assigned by the Ministry of National Defense to carry out all coordination activities between the Ministries of Defense and Naval Forces of other countries and to form the Joint Technical Working Group."

A possible joint project to be started between unnamed partner countries for Milden? Spain?

ASFAT, Avrupa ve Suudi Arabistan’a ihracat için yoğun görüşmeler yürütüyor

Türkiye’nin savunma sanayiindeki öncü şirketlerinden ASFAT, önemli ihracat ve proje adımlarıyla dikkat çekiyor.

gdh.digital

 

[boredaf]

A possible joint project to be started between unnamed partner countries for Milden? Spain?

Has to be, right? I can't think of any other country we have a naval cooperation with like we do with them, and no other country where there have been rumours about a submarine cooperation.

 

[Sanchez]

Has to be, right? I can't think of any other country we have a naval cooperation with like we do with them, and no other country where there have been rumours about a submarine cooperation.

It's what comes first to mind, if we add the recent changes at Aspilsan. A technologic and production cooperation may be in the works, we don't know.

 

[Anmdt]

"One of the two HİSAR-class Offshore Patrol Vessels produced by ASFAT may be exported to a European country before entering the inventory."

This is the most interesting one, possibly both two are intended to be transferred / sold. While Navy will be receiving the latter 4 (and possibly another 6 of the same outfit).

A possible joint project to be started between unnamed partner countries for Milden? Spain?

Possibly UK on certain subjects. Might as well get partnerships on different components/parts with different actors.

 

[Sanchez]

Possibly UK on certain subjects. Might as well get partnerships on different components/parts with different actors.

But it also mentions other navies, interestingly. Tad weird.

 

[chngr]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787648071918408158

I think depending on how fast development goes with our PDMS projects we might see the second batch be equipped with an PDMS CIWS instead of Gökdeniz.

My question would be with ATOM 25MM being introduced by Aselsan, could we see SMASH 25MM ATOM+Göksür/Levent in future configs.

No... we need at least one gun system CIWS

Even TF2000 have both gun and missile ciws...

 

[Khagan1923]

This is the most interesting one, possibly both two are intended to be transferred / sold. While Navy will be receiving the latter 4 (and possibly another 6 of the same outfit).

Romania ? They cancelled their contract for 4 Gowind 2500 Corvettes with France and were looking at other options.

Yes these probably can’t compare with those but they would probably come cheap and are better equipped then your regular OPV.

 

[Turkic]

ASFAT, Avrupa ve Suudi Arabistan’a ihracat için yoğun görüşmeler yürütüyor

Türkiye’nin savunma sanayiindeki öncü şirketlerinden ASFAT, önemli ihracat ve proje adımlarıyla dikkat çekiyor.

gdh.digital

News page has been deleted and so this one:

https://www.defenceturk.net/tf-2000de-son-durum

"Latest situation on TF-2000" which was published 2 hours ago

 

[Sanchez]

News page has been deleted and so this one:

https://www.defenceturk.net/tf-2000de-son-durum

"Latest situation on TF-2000" which was published 2 hours ago

I had already changed the DefenceTurk twit to GDH link after it was removed, now that too. Could only mean a sale is very close and they don't want anyone to jump at it without their confirmation

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Exactly! Istif production going according to the plans. We should see Izmit being launched within few months as well.

New real challenge we face is the TF2000, which will be a lot harder and expensive than Istifs, but we can do it.

Izmit is aslo lunched , how u bring this few month thing when it was ready painted , U can say at least few weeks but months !!

 

[Strong AI]

Under the coordination of our Presidency of Defense Industries and the partnership of TAİS and STM, our MİLGEM İSTİF Class frigates, İZMİR (F-516) and İZMİT (F-517), were launched. Following our previously delivered İSTİF Class Frigate TCG İSTANBUL (F-515), these national ships will represent our nation's power and determination in the world's seas with a local content rate of over 80% and high technology.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1878105997220118945

 

[cr33pt3d]

damn we really printing ships ! amazing news .

 

[Sanchez]

Izmit is aslo lunched , how u bring this few month thing when it was ready painted , U can say at least few weeks but months !!

I was saying few months to say on the safe side, but was expecting it within a month or so, definitely not back to back. What a day.

 

[what]

I dont like the fact that a lot of our shipyards are located in and around Istanbul.

In case of war we should have backups somewhere safer, i.e. Antalya and Hatay. What do you think, Mr. Navy aka @Anmdt?

 

[TR_123456]

I dont like the fact that a lot of our shipyards are located in and around Istanbul.

In case of war we should have backups somewhere safer, i.e. Antalya and Hatay. What do you think, Mr. Navy aka @Anmdt?

Why not on all coasts,Black Sea,Marmara,Mediterranean and Aegean?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Why not on all coasts,Black Sea,Marmara,Mediterranean and Aegean?

I dont like the fact that a lot of our shipyards are located in and around Istanbul.

In case of war we should have backups somewhere safer, i.e. Antalya and Hatay. What do you think, Mr. Navy aka @Anmdt?

İt must be to do with logistics and ease of finding trained staff and being close to the eco system of the related industry.

Whence the eco system of shipbuilding becomes countrywide and the relaying of parts and finding trained personnel due to longer distances stops being a hindrance, then it would be viable to have ship building sites positioned in any corner of the country.

There is a very large project on paper that involves the maintenance of large tankers and mega ships in Bay of Iskenderun. If this project ever takes off the ground, it can propel investment of ship building in the area too. That can kick start a trend to spread the shipbuilding industry to a wider area.

 

[dBSPL]

Before this sector was industrialized on this scale, all that was a family craft. So there is a long shipbuilding tradition in a few regions too. However, these regions did not have the conditions to develop industrially. Because the Tuzla-based structuring is essentially a sectoral power union. Although some of the Tuzla shipyards have experienced a change of shareholders over time, the majority are from Trabzon and Rize; some of these families arrived in Istanbul in the late 40s and 50s around Haliç, and some of their first business partners in Istanbul were non-muslims. Everyone already knows the history of the Tuzla shipyards area and the sub-industry around it, which has a model that has very few examples in the world in terms of structure, but most of the shipyards gathered here, were not shipyards in the sense we understand today, but family businesses consisting of just a smal slipway or a pier. But this starting point determined the model on which the industry of the Tuzla district would develop. Altınova is the extension of this to the other side of the gulf with successful planning in the 2000s.

It is very difficult to decentralize this centrality in the established industrial model. Because when you move out of the region, logistics costs will increase, your cost of access to subcontractors(most important factor) will increase, your cost of access to dozens of items of equipment, installations, machinery and related engineering will increase. I think there are two ways to overcome this, the first is to create new Tuzla's. Gathering local boatyards together again at different locations. But in order for this to be done by the private sector, there should be an incentive program to move the maintenance and repair works in Tuzla to these regions, or better yet, a national coaster program should be established, like MILGEM. You would not want to know the status of small shipowners' fleets and our average fleet life. A significant part of the existing vessels are still river vessels that are being lengthened in Tuzla. A national coaster program (both bulk and tankers) is a necessity for our maritime industry and it can be instrumentalized for industrial transformation. We should also have a national offshore fisheries policy based on the blue homeland doctrine. Offshore fisheries should be developed and promoted.

Or there should be investments that departmentalize most of these services within huge compounds, not like the shipyard parcels we see in Tuzal. In other words, there should be mega investments with big capitals. The disadvantage of this is that, excluding the 10 or so shipyards that are involved in military projects, our market share is maintenance-heavy and the new ship orders in the order books are in a specific range. Rather than large tonnage vessels such as those in Asia, there is a trend towards clean energy inland sea vessel types predominantly from Europe. In order to reach the steel processing capacity to sustain those investments, either we have to dominate the market or we have to concentrate on large vessels like east Asia.



edit:

Also need to add this: Today, behind our almost reaching a military production capacity equivalent to the total of the European continent, there is the naval force command that perfectly instrumentalizes the shipbuilding structure formed in Tuzla. Particularly, the Pendik Command was always in contact within not just shipbuilders almost all of related sectors around it. In other words, what was seen as a disadvantage has to some extent created the unique breakthrough model of Turkish shipbuilding. When we wrote first that this would be the case, that is, when we compared our potential scale to the entire European continent, no one could not see a trace of this on social media. It took the orderbook of 31 piece navy vessels for the token to drop for the defense social media outside the forum. Naval ship orders are a very profitable business for shipyards. For this reason, shipyards are becoming stronger not only in terms of technical capacity but also financially by entering this circle. In large tonnage ships, competition with Asia is very difficult. However, the successful planning of the navy and our position as the technology-intensive production center of Europe will open up great opportunities for usin near future.