TR Propulsion Systems

[Saithan]

I see more blah blah.....

My answer to that stuff is: Balik kavaga cikinca, kum cicek acinca

 

[Timur]

I see more blah blah.....

My answer to that stuff is: Balik kavaga cikinca, kum cicek acinca

you are right, there's nothing, but I would expect that Tai would use it on Anka. That's the most logical conclusion. As for Baykar, I don’t believe they would use it, based on recent history.

If it were up to me, I would want the government and military to demand these engines in our drones - otherwise, no drone purchases!

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Would be cool if TEI would build a TF15/20K one day.The gap between 10K and 35K is quite big.

 

[Zoth]

There's no planned replacement for the American F404 for Hürjet, at least on the public space. F404 is an old, reliable engine that is used by most of the world, have no cutting edge features and some alternatives for it exist, so thinking must be that we don't think Americans will stop its sale. Armed version is of course another issue.

Reason we are building TF35000 for Kaan is not just that we fear Americans stopping its transfer, but also that F110, one of the most efficient and powerful afterburning turbofan engines in the world, is not good enough to unlock Kaan's full potential. TF-35000 is possibly our most ambitious project, moreso than Kaan, Batu for Altay, even the aircraft carrier.

Well, i guess Hurjet export capabilities will be really limited to NATO/USA allies then, it is quite sad.

 

[Zoth]

I see more blah blah.....

My answer to that stuff is: Balik kavaga cikinca, kum cicek acinca

What you are saying is not wrong but i really don't understand what you are expecting, Turkey is doing this for the first time and it's not an easy task to build jet engines out of nothing when you don't have years of experience of already doing it.

 

[boredaf]

I see more blah blah.....

My answer to that stuff is: Balik kavaga cikinca, kum cicek acinca

No, you're seeing explanations to your question. This isn't a game where you research a tech and then start using it on your units. From design to prototype to production there are years and years of testing and tweaking to be done. Google other engines and how long the process took for them to become airworthy. If TAI manages to get TF35k airworthy by 2028 to be tested on a jet it'll be one of the fastest engine productions in history. Same goes for TF6k or 10k, these projects aren't even 10 years old yet.

You need to pace yourself and be patient, TF35k will also take years after getting fired to be fitted into Kaan and fly. And also wouldn't hurt to be a bit more respectful mate, you're coming off really flippant. People in here are all (or mostly) outsiders looking in and commenting on publicly available information and knowledge based on what has been done before. Nobody with more specific knowledge, even if they are in here, are going to give you those answers either.

 

[somegoodusername]

You're just parroting everyone else...

Planned, Expected to are vague term and not confirmed enough for me.

Also they test fired TF6000 in spring 2024, so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and Anka 3 ?

Oh my god... This is how all defense projects works in Turkey. How did you think the projects currently entering the inventory was developed in the past? TF-6000 will be used when it is ready. And no one can say that when it will be, because nobody in the world really knows that. They can only make a guess. Anyone who gives you a date is lying.

If you want a date, let me give you one:

TF-6000 will be ready in 05.10.2024. Don't you believe me? Than you have to wait like everybody else.

 

[Anmdt]

And no one can say that when it will be

I know one person who could say that (but just saying).

 

[Huelague]

I know one person who could say that (but just saying).

He talk to much.

 

[Oublious]

very smart decision...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842568376771916008

 

[Fairon]

very smart decision...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842568376771916008

If Baykar funds this, we will have a national engine for Hurkus as well.(Our very own PT-6)

If Baykar doesn't fund this though, I don't think there will be a turboprop engine derived from TS-1400 in the near future. Mr. Aksit mentioning this for a long time (He said they aimed for a 1400 shp output for a future turboprop derivative that powers Hurkus) but there doesn't seem to be a demand for it. (Which kinda make sense considering the availability of PT-6)

Interesting development, if true.

 

[Zafer]

This is fantastic news. This will likely be still a twin engine plane yet a single engine plane made from this engine will still be a capable one.

 

[Spitfire9]

... if they fail to buy American Engines for block 1/2 of Kaan, they will be out of many options. If American engines are out of the window, there are only 2 capable engines where Turkey may look, South Korea and Chinese WS engines, which i personally think they will not choose to go with Chinese engines.

As far as I know South Korea is hoping to develop an engine with similar thrust to GE F414 by 2035. That would not be sufficient thrust for the engine to be used in Kaan.

What changes would be needed for TF35K to become a 5G engine? Why take on a much more demanding development challenge when the priority is to gain security of supply for an engine for Kaan? If Turkiye opts to take the 5G route and in 2030/2031/2032 finds itself with no engines to put in production frames, it will have no-one to blame but its own planners.

I have no insight into the political risk of use of F110 in Kaan being denied, so my reservations about going for 5G development may be unfounded. However, I think it possible that the US will continue tightening measures against countries dealing with Russia, Turkiye being one of them.

 

[TR_123456]

I have no insight into the political risk of use of F110 in Kaan being denied, so my reservations about going for 5G development may be unfounded. However, I think it possible that the US will continue tightening measures against countries dealing with Russia, Turkiye being one of them.

It has nothing to do with Russia,its complicated and to much for me to explain.
As long as you know that we dont have another choice but develop our own engine(s).

 

[zio]

If Baykar funds this, we will have a national engine for Hurkus as well.(Our very own PT-6)

If Baykar doesn't fund this though, I don't think there will be a turboprop engine derived from TS-1400 in the near future. Mr. Aksit mentioning this for a long time (He said they aimed for a 1400 shp output for a future turboprop derivative that powers Hurkus) but there doesn't seem to be a demand for it. (Which kinda make sense considering the availability of PT-6)

Interesting development, if true.

We are a bit late for a turboprop engine from TS1400,it should have been started a few years ago, and we are too late to start TS3000 project.When we start we finished it,no failure until now.We also have to start marine big diesel engines.

 

[Spitfire9]

???
TF35K (maybe it will be TF38K) will be already a 5G engine.

My bad. I was thinking of 6G engines, not 5G engines.

 

[Zoth]

As far as I know South Korea is hoping to develop an engine with similar thrust to GE F414 by 2035. That would not be sufficient thrust for the engine to be used in Kaan.

What changes would be needed for TF35K to become a 5G engine? Why take on a much more demanding development challenge when the priority is to gain security of supply for an engine for Kaan? If Turkiye opts to take the 5G route and in 2030/2031/2032 finds itself with no engines to put in production frames, it will have no-one to blame but its own planners.

I have no insight into the political risk of use of F110 in Kaan being denied, so my reservations about going for 5G development may be unfounded. However, I think it possible that the US will continue tightening measures against countries dealing with Russia, Turkiye being one of them.

TF35000 won't be made out of thin air, it has no possibility to fail but only get delayed.

TF35000 will be made out of TF-10000 engine which is already in design and in production-test phase.

I know me saying " has no possibility to fail" is over exaggerating, but once you already have capabilities and industry to design and test fire more than 60 times successfully an engine like tf-6000, the rest is only matter of when and not matter of if.

 

[Saithan]

I don't understand the mindset of people thinking it's too late to develop an engine for e.g. Hürkus, Atak, pt6 type engine.

So we should just give up because someone else beat us to it. Don't bother because the others are better. You know TN had to struggle because of that kind of mindset and today we can be proud of their achievements.

We've said it several times here, but people still fall back to that mindset.

 

[Zafer]

We know that TEI are working on a 3000hp turboshaft engine but what we don't know is if they will be working on a turboprop from that engine too.

 

[byzero]

General Electric is working on a very efficient 3000 HP turboshaft engine that uses ceramic maxris composite and eutectic materials. Tei is working on these materials but still does not have the knowledge to use them in an engine, so it will not be very efficient for Tei to produce a 3000 HP engine.