Settle down there mate, testing engines is a long process. It cannot be just fired and then installed on a drone to fly. Your lack of understanding on the matter doesn't mean someone is "parroting" something. It might not be confirmed for you, but it is in the ground testing process and that's all there is to it until that ends.
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There is some confusion going on here, there are 2 engines that are being developed at the same time, TF-6000 and TF-10000.
TF-6000 Is going to be used both on ANKA-3 and Kizilelma and future upcoming smaller UCAVS once they enter production.
Both Anka 3 and Kizilelma will have a bigger variant which will have 2 engines installed on them, ANKA-4 and Kizilelma 2(naming hasn't decided on that yet).
Now, the real deal TF-10000, this engine will be powering future Hurjets and from this engine the bigger variant TF-35000 will be made for KAAN, once everything is perfected with TF-10000 of course.
You are asking asking a question which has no direct answer, "so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and ANKA 3", according to TUSAS , ANKA 3 will be delivered to TSK in early 2025 so it means that TF6000 will also be ready around there.
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Not correct. TF-10000 is a TF-6000 with afterburner, and will not be used on Hürjet as it's too small. We can expect it to be used on new versions of Kızılelma.
You are correct, for some reason i remember it this way, sorry for misinformation.
now that i re-checked, i couldn't find anything on what Hurjet will be using in the future though, do you perhaps have some info on it?
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There's no planned replacement for the American F404 for Hürjet, at least on the public space. F404 is an old, reliable engine that is used by most of the world, have no cutting edge features and some alternatives for it exist, so thinking must be that we don't think Americans will stop its sale. Armed version is of course another issue.
Reason we are building TF35000 for Kaan is not just that we fear Americans stopping its transfer, but also that F110, one of the most efficient and powerful afterburning turbofan engines in the world, is not good enough to unlock Kaan's full potential. TF-35000 is possibly our most ambitious project, moreso than Kaan, Batu for Altay, even the aircraft carrier.
TF6000 and TF10000 are important for TF35000. These tech will be base of TF35000 and they will provide necessary experience to develope TF35000. It may sound weird but TF6000 and TF10000 are not top priority for their targeted platforms. Kizilelma and Anka3 have their own alternatives. Kizilelma Model C will have TF10000 and it seems it will be not in a real future.
TF6000 is also important in other areas. I expect ATAK 2 is also waiting TF6000 somehow.
“TF6000 is at a level that can fly KIZILELMA, if its core is turned into a turboshaft, it can fly ATAK 2, if a ship propeller is attached, it can be used in a national assault boat. There is cooperation with BOTAŞ for it to be used as a natural gas compressor.”
Yesterday Mehmet Demiroğlu stated that we started to work on TS3000. I guess that this is connected.
TF6000 is also important in other areas. I expect ATAK 2 is also waiting TF6000 somehow.
“TF6000 is at a level that can fly KIZILELMA, if its core is turned into a turboshaft, it can fly ATAK 2, if a ship propeller is attached, it can be used in a national assault boat. There is cooperation with BOTAŞ for it to be used as a natural gas compressor.”
Yesterday Mehmet Demiroğlu stated that we started to work on TS3000. I guess that this is connected.
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you are right, there's nothing, but I would expect that Tai would use it on Anka. That's the most logical conclusion. As for Baykar, I don’t believe they would use it, based on recent history.
If it were up to me, I would want the government and military to demand these engines in our drones - otherwise, no drone purchases!
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Would be cool if TEI would build a TF15/20K one day.The gap between 10K and 35K is quite big.
Well, i guess Hurjet export capabilities will be really limited to NATO/USA allies then, it is quite sad.
What you are saying is not wrong but i really don't understand what you are expecting, Turkey is doing this for the first time and it's not an easy task to build jet engines out of nothing when you don't have years of experience of already doing it.
No, you're seeing explanations to your question. This isn't a game where you research a tech and then start using it on your units. From design to prototype to production there are years and years of testing and tweaking to be done. Google other engines and how long the process took for them to become airworthy. If TAI manages to get TF35k airworthy by 2028 to be tested on a jet it'll be one of the fastest engine productions in history. Same goes for TF6k or 10k, these projects aren't even 10 years old yet.
You need to pace yourself and be patient, TF35k will also take years after getting fired to be fitted into Kaan and fly. And also wouldn't hurt to be a bit more respectful mate, you're coming off really flippant. People in here are all (or mostly) outsiders looking in and commenting on publicly available information and knowledge based on what has been done before. Nobody with more specific knowledge, even if they are in here, are going to give you those answers either.
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Oh my god... This is how all defense projects works in Turkey. How did you think the projects currently entering the inventory was developed in the past? TF-6000 will be used when it is ready. And no one can say that when it will be, because nobody in the world really knows that. They can only make a guess. Anyone who gives you a date is lying.
If you want a date, let me give you one:
TF-6000 will be ready in 05.10.2024. Don't you believe me? Than you have to wait like everybody else.
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I know one person who could say that (but just saying).
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He talk to much.
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"No matter how great the talent or efforts, some things just take time. You can’t produce a baby in one month by getting nine women pregnant." - Buffett
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If Baykar funds this, we will have a national engine for Hurkus as well.(Our very own PT-6)
If Baykar doesn't fund this though, I don't think there will be a turboprop engine derived from TS-1400 in the near future. Mr. Aksit mentioning this for a long time (He said they aimed for a 1400 shp output for a future turboprop derivative that powers Hurkus) but there doesn't seem to be a demand for it. (Which kinda make sense considering the availability of PT-6)
Interesting development, if true.
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As far as I know South Korea is hoping to develop an engine with similar thrust to GE F414 by 2035. That would not be sufficient thrust for the engine to be used in Kaan.
What changes would be needed for TF35K to become a 5G engine? Why take on a much more demanding development challenge when the priority is to gain security of supply for an engine for Kaan? If Turkiye opts to take the 5G route and in 2030/2031/2032 finds itself with no engines to put in production frames, it will have no-one to blame but its own planners.
I have no insight into the political risk of use of F110 in Kaan being denied, so my reservations about going for 5G development may be unfounded. However, I think it possible that the US will continue tightening measures against countries dealing with Russia, Turkiye being one of them.
