TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Merzifonlu]

Turkiye had once made an offer to the Indonesia for Aksungur UCAV, saying "let's develop this together". They did not accept this. Then they saw that Aksungur UCAV was a quality product and also suitable for their needs, they paid cash and supplied it. What I mean is that we should not include Indonesia in the development phase. They have a trust problem. If Kaan fighter becomes a quality product, they will buy it with cash, like Aksungur UCAV.

 

[Spitfire9]

Maybe unpopular opinion here, but i think that there won't be any cooperation (except the one with Azerbaijan) until Türkiye starts testing KAAN's domestic and national engine. Because look at the ATAK export to Pakistan. One embargo from USA and your money is in the trash bin.

What is there to cooperate about? KAAN's airframe design must be nearing completion. Indonesia can buy it when it is ready if it wants to. Makes me wonder what partnership in KF-21 achieved.

 

[Yasar_TR]

TUSAŞ Expands its Presence in Indo-Pacific | TURDEF

Turkish Aerospace is opening a new branch in Bandung, Indonesia, to increase its regional presence.

turdef.com

Here is the Turkish take of the same news regarding Indonesian office of Tusas.
Tusas had opened a similar office in Malaysia when it was offering Hurjet to the Malaysian government. Some media centres are probably drawing similarities with the opening of this new office.
It has to be remembered that, Indonesia is already a participating partner - even if it is on paper only- in the KF21 Boramae project. Turkey has far too good a relation with SKorea to jeopardise it. I can’t see Indonesia leaving the KF21 programme.

Indonesia has visited Tusas recently and currently there are equipment that they are buying and probably new ones they would like to buy. To facilitate good efficient service, it is only natural to have a local office as part of the large business potential there is.

KAAN project is in it’s final stages. It is more feasible for Turkey to sell the plane, rather than including new partners.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

TUSAŞ Expands its Presence in Indo-Pacific | TURDEF

Turkish Aerospace is opening a new branch in Bandung, Indonesia, to increase its regional presence.

turdef.com

Here is the Turkish take of the same news regarding Indonesian office of Tusas.
Tusas had opened a similar office in Malaysia when it was offering Hurjet to the Malaysian government. Some media centres are probably drawing similarities with the opening of this new office.
It has to be remembered that, Indonesia is already a participating partner - even if it is on paper only- in the KF21 Boramae project. Turkey has far too good a relation with SKorea to jeopardise it. I can’t see Indonesia leaving the KF21 programme.

Indonesia has visited Tusas recently and currently there are equipment that they are buying and probably new ones they would like to buy. To facilitate good efficient service, it is only natural to have a local office as part of the large business potential there is.

KAAN project is in it’s final stages. It is more feasible for Turkey to sell the plane, rather than including new partners.

It's not the first time Indonesia has been linked to the KAAN. It will be healthy for Turkiye to get partners on board the KAAN program. The critical stages of the project have been accomplished, or are near completion. However, as we know the leverage and the offers that Turkiye made at the beginning of the program are not available today. Hopefully, there are still opportunities that can be discussed and offered just like the F-35 program. Do we know what South Korea offered to Indonesia as a participant in the KF-21 program?

 

[Spitfire9]

It's not the first time Indonesia has been linked to the KAAN. It will be healthy for Turkiye to get partners on board the KAAN program. The critical stages of the project have been accomplished, or are near completion. However, as we know the leverage and the offers that Turkiye made at the beginning of the program are not available today. Hopefully, there are still opportunities that can be discussed and offered just like the F-35 program. Do we know what South Korea offered to Indonesia as a participant in the KF-21 program?

What is a 'partner' in your view? Is it a country interested in investing in KAAN production? Are there any countries with the technology needed to contribute to further KAAN development?

 

[Ahlatshah]

What is there to cooperate about?

It is called chips, semiconductors, FPGAs, name it. We desperately need those. Indonesia and particularly Malaysia are vital for us.

 

[TheInsider]

I expect Indonesia to lower the priority of the KF-21 program and join the Turkish MMU/TF-X program. Indonesian authorities have been unhappy with the program for a while and Indonesia gives more and more contracts and importance to Turkish defense companies. I expect a MOU to be signed at IDEF 2025.

We will probably see a mock-up of the national engine for KAAN and KAAN GTU-1 prototype at IDEF 2025. IMHO this is the last step before someone can be a partner of the project and enjoy benefits. After that, I don't think anyone can be more than a customer. Of course a customer can also be part of the project but a partner is inherently different. In late 2026 we will see the KAAN GTU-1 prototype in an advanced configuration with KARAT IRST, Toygun EOTS, Murad-600A AESA radar(as part of BURFIS RF suite), Yıldırım-300 DIRCM, IRIS-300 DAS installed on the fighter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1828051382936473951

Within the scope of the Signing Ceremony held in Indonesia; ASELSAN signed strategic agreements regarding the SARP Remote Controlled Stabilized Weapon System, CENK 4D Search Radar, Artillery Fire Control System and Missile Data Link, and ROKETSAN signed strategic agreements regarding the SUNGUR Air Defense Missile System, ÇAKIR Cruise Missile and MAM-L Mini Smart Munition.

Additionally, important Memorandums of Understanding (MoU) were signed regarding unmanned surface vehicles, tank modernization and maintenance of missile systems.

 

[Spitfire9]

It is called chips, semiconductors, FPGAs, name it. We desperately need those. Indonesia and particularly Malaysia are vital for us.

Any reason Turkiye cannot buy them from the producers?

 

[Ahlatshah]

Any reason Turkiye cannot buy them from the producers?

It depends. We can buy directly from manufacturers right now but in a conflict, who knows? One thing is certain, we want independence but no country cant stand alone much longer. We need allies, best way to do is high profile defence agreements. Besides, we have what they dont have, they have what we dont have. None of our interests conflict with theirs. Collaboration with Indonesia and Malaysia is very important and necessary.

Btw not engines, certainly not sensors but semiconductor industry is our real weakness now, both in civilian and military applications and I believe it should be discussed more.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

What is a 'partner' in your view? Is it a country interested in investing in KAAN production? Are there any countries with the technology needed to contribute to further KAAN development?

None of the countries that have expressed their interest in the KAAN can contribute to the development of the Burfis AESA radar, the TF-35000 engine, or any critical part of the fighter jet that Turkey is still developing. Being a partner does not necessarily mean that they will be developing the fighter jet since Turkey has already reached many critical, and successful steps towards the journey of reaching mass production. The Tier 1-2-3 of the F-35 program can give you a glimpse of what a partner could be considered in terms of the technology transfer.


Check this out

Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II procurement - Wikipedia

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[Yasar_TR]

It's not the first time Indonesia has been linked to the KAAN. It will be healthy for Turkiye to get partners on board the KAAN program. The critical stages of the project have been accomplished, or are near completion. However, as we know the leverage and the offers that Turkiye made at the beginning of the program are not available today. Hopefully, there are still opportunities that can be discussed and offered just like the F-35 program. Do we know what South Korea offered to Indonesia as a participant in the KF-21 program?


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The project was initially designed with Indonesia funding 20 percent of the 8.1 trillion won total cost, in exchange for technology transfer and participation in the production process.
As a result of the reduced financial contribution of Indonesia, the benefits Indonesia will receive, including technology transfer, will be scaled down proportionally.
However, specific details on the reduction in technology transfer have not been disclosed.

 

[TR_123456]

This thread is about KAAN,nothing else,lets stay on topic.

A little help for those interested in the KF-21 program.

KF-X/ IF-X (KF-21) program

KF-X illustration (image: KAI) In its 2021 budget, the South Korean Ministry of Defense plans to spend $5.4 billion for the development of indigenous KF-X jet. Seoul has set the target for development of the jet for 2026. It aims to produce 15 F414 flight test engines and six prototype fighters...

defencehub.live

 

[Agha Sher]

Apparently KAAN is very high on the agenda for Egypt during Sisi's visit.

 

[Huelague]

Apparently KAAN is very high on the agenda for Egypt during Sisi's visit.

Algeria must be a customer, too.

 

[Rooxbar]

Development and mass production are two very different things. We might be at later stages of development, but for mass production and spreading the costs we still need partners.

 

[TR_123456]

Development and mass production are two very different things. We might be at later stages of development, but for mass production and spreading the costs we still need partners.

When the KAAN is ready,they will line up.

 

[Barry]

KAAN will end up being more important geopolitically than militarily, it seems. Unless AKP find ways to fuck it up, like they do with every foreign policy decision and agenda they've managed to get their fingers into.

 

[TheInsider]

Egypt will go for J-31. Kaan has a long way to go before we can sell it with a national engine in meaningful numbers.

 

[TheInsider]

Rough comparison of Kaan, KF-21 and F-35

 

[Chocopie]

Rough comparison of Kaan, KF-21 and F-35

What‘s the use of this ridiculous comparison of 4.5 gen LO fighter jet KF-21 with 5th gen VLO fighter jet designs? Other than propaganda and bragging purposes?

Big sized 5th gen Kaan should be compared accordingly with F-22, J-20, SU-57.

Medium sized 5th gen F-35 compared with J-31, AMCA.

Medium sized 4.5 gen KF-21 with Typhoon, Rafale, F/A-18.

Also generally problematic are paper spec radars/sensors/avionics/datalink/features that are still in development or mockup stage compared to existing features of a fully developed F-35A, no?

The goodie for Koreans: from 2026 on ROKAF will have both marvelous LO and VLO jets on the right deployed and flying to protect our sky, yeah