TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[TheInsider]

It is autonomous but the operator is ready to take control just in case. Kızılelma is positioning itself relative to F-16 on its own.

 

[python34]

BAYKAR General Manager Haluk Bayraktar:

KIZILELMA performs autonomous wing flight on an automatically programmed roadmap with AKINCI.

There is no manual intervention.

Flight control computers and software are completely national.

 

[GoatsMilk]

KIZILELMA performs autonomous wing flight on an automatically programmed roadmap with AKINCI.

Can someone break this down for me?

Is it saying that the Akinci has been programmed to go somewhere and conduct some mission, meanwhile the red apple is told to cover the akinci and it does it automatically?

 

[Hepdert]

Can someone break this down for me?

Is it saying that the Akinci has been programmed to go somewhere and conduct some mission, meanwhile the red apple is told to cover the akinci and it does it automatically?

Aynen.Yep.

 

[GoatsMilk]

lol

Anka in the begin was a fiasco project, could not give answer to demands of Tuaf. Almost 10 years later it was operational, so your weirdo arguments is strange, Baykar did go direct to war zone and developed drone.

So you bs arguments, several times i have to read it. It is getting worse and worse, like that TFX comparing. TF-X total budget is 10 billion dollar and if i remember correct the build test center are not included. Anka total development cost was 200 million dollars....


TB2 kalasnikov of donres...


i don;t have to waste time on your posts, like always bs.

Your comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

My argument was in the context of ryders argument that Mossad could take seljuk out. Several posters like you who completely missed the point got all butt hurt and despite the same posters giving me hundreds of likes, were quick to condemn me. Shameful behaviour.

meanwhile other posters understood the argument one hundred percent and replied according to the context in which you and a few others completely missed. These are two examples of people who understood the argument i was convoying and responded after understanding my argument.

I'd start worrying about my life and safety if I was working in the orbital launch program, and maybe tf35000; other than that, not much of a threat to Israel.

Also side note here for anyone wondering why Israel: Israel and Mossad have assassinated numerous scientists working in Nuclear, Pharma and Ballistic programs in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya and probably even Egypt and Sudan. Israel's core security tenet is technological superiority in the region in matters of warfare at all costs . The common factor to all these countries though was their lackluster intelligence agencies. Turkey is a whole another slice of cake. The Aselsan engineers' case seems to me to be an internal sabotage by traitors among Gülenists; hence more consistent with CIA's MO in the past decades of using local actors with minimal explicit links to CIA to do the dirty work so they can go on calling themselves bastions of democracy and leader of free world and stuff like that.

And

Institutes working on satellites and camera technologies with a resolution below "1m" may also be target of some intelligence agencies. If I remember correctly, Israel has a special privileged provision in US law and according to this provision, a satellite with a camera below 1m is prevented from being sold to Israel's "enemies", something like Israeli CATSAA on US laws. Israeli members who have information about this subject may enlighten us as well. Even if it is allowed to be sold, there are special restrictions. Let alone allowing 1m resolution satellites, Today's Turkiye is developing and exporting sat cameras under 0.5m. This area is also very critical and important enough to require special security.

The argument was that i didn't believe that seljuk was enough of a tech creator that someone like mossad would target him, to the contrary i made the correct claim that most tech is sourced from elsewhere. Even if that tech wasnt sourced from somewhere else and everything was made inhouse by baykar including things like engines, the only technology i feel that mossad would fear is engine tech. Then it would come down to who is directly is involved in the creation of that engine tech.

The whole argument/discussion revolved around ryder mossad claim. It was never an argument about whether baykar is good or not. Or which company is better or worse. It was entirely about whether seljuk was enough of tech creator that an intelligence agency known for murdering regional scientists could potentially target him.

I came to conclusion that no he isnt at that level.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Does anyone know when and if Kizel elma will conduct a mock dog fight against a manned fighter jet?

 

[dBSPL]

Does anyone know when and if Kizel elma will conduct a mock dog fight against a manned fighter jet?

IMO, there is a high probability that they are ready as software. However, I am not sure if the current prototype can perform continuous high-G air combat manoeuvres.

 

[GoatsMilk]

IMO, there is a high probability that they are ready as software. However, I am not sure if the current prototype can perform high-G air combat manoeuvres.

Because for me that potentially is the game changer for Turkiye and Baykar. If they are able to achieve something similar to what we saw with the ameican pilot against the AI, then everything changes for Turkiye. That also takes Baykar to a completely different level then where they are at currently with TB2 and Akinci.

After the TFX, that AI hunter drone capability is the next thing that excites me the most.

 

[dBSPL]

Because for me that potentially is the game changer for Turkiye and Baykar. If they are able to achieve something similar to what we saw with the ameican pilot against the AI, then everything changes for Turkiye. That also takes Baykar to a completely different level then where they are at currently with TB2 and Akinci.

After the TFX, that AI hunter drone capability is the next thing that excites me the most.

These deep learning processes are really fascinating. The US Air Force has an extraordinary amount of data. The processing of this big data by AI, okay, it sounds very futuristic, but perhaps it has reached the point where it will make it impossible for manned pilotage to really compete. Think about it, it knows everything the pilot has learnt during his training and service, it knows thousands of hours of ACM data, it knows which decision the pilot is likely to make. And moreover, it performs manoeuvres with completely zero error in flight control. And as if all this were not enough, the manoeuvring envelope of the aircraft controlled by the AI will already be in an advantageous position, since it can be extended to the structural endurance of the aircraft.

edit: I would also like to make another point. Today we learnt that AKINCI diverted KIZILELMA's flight. Does this light a bulb in our heads? Imagine an AKINCI at an altitude of 50K ft and outside the hot contact area, commanding and controlling a KE arm. Of course, it will not be able to power a huge AESA radar, but I think there is a great potential here.

 

[GoatsMilk]

These deep learning processes are really fascinating. The US Air Force has an extraordinary amount of data. The processing of this big data by AI, okay, it sounds very futuristic, but perhaps it has reached the point where it will make it impossible for manned pilotage to really compete. Think about it, it knows everything the pilot has learnt during his training and service, it knows thousands of hours of ACM data, it knows which decision the pilot is likely to make. And moreover, it performs manoeuvres with completely zero error in flight control. And as if all this were not enough, the manoeuvring envelope of the aircraft controlled by the AI will already be in an advantageous position, since it can be extended to the structural endurance of the aircraft.

edit: I would also like to make another point. Today we learnt that AKINCI diverted KIZILELMA's flight. Does this light a bulb in our heads? Imagine an AKINCI at an altitude of 50K ft and outside the hot contact area, commanding and controlling a KE arm. Of course, it will not be able to power a huge AESA radar, but I think there is a great potential here.

Yeah, Once you get these things communicating with each other and acting in a co-ordinated manner it yet again changes the nature of the game. Because they will operate with vision across the entire battlefield even when the individual jet cannot see beyond its own sensors personal reach.

And airspace is one of those regions where i think AI can really flourish. On land i suspect AI can run into all sorts of problems, but in the open space of the sky AI can really excel.

 

[python34]

 

[Rodeo]

I love BAYKAR's edits.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652759932943433728

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

I love BAYKAR's edits.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652759932943433728

Man others need to learn on how to do a promo like Baykar. Cool Video.

 

[python34]

We want to show you the Great and Strong Turkey.

On one side, the masterpiece of the Heroic Turkish Pilot, who achieves the impossible in the sky

On the other side, Kızılelma, which bears the signature of Turkish engineers for our powerful tomorrows

This arm flight is also a first

We are strong, we are proud

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652753175881891840

 

[UkroTurk]

Ukraine has signed three agreements with the manufacturer Bayraktar

Alexander Kamyshin (pictured third from left) spoke about important agreements with Baykar

These contracts provide Ukraine with export earnings and a new generation of weapons, Alexander Kamyshin assured.

Following the results of participation in the international exhibition of aviation equipment Teknofest 2023 in Istanbul, Ukraine has reached three new agreements with the Turkish company Baykar, the manufacturer of Bayraktar drones. This was announced on Sunday, April 30, by the Minister for Strategic Industries of Ukraine Oleksandr Kamyshin in Telegram.



"There is an important result - three new agreements with the Turkish manufacturer Baykar for Ukrainian manufacturers. Of course, I will not tell you the details, but I assure you that these contracts give our country export earnings and a new generation of weapons," the minister wrote.

Meanwhile, it is known that Baykar presented the unmanned fighter Kizilelma at the exhibition, the production of which the company intends to start in small batches next year.

 

[dBSPL]

I love BAYKAR's edits.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652759932943433728

All companies developing the end system with export focus should work with professional production teams. Even the Ministry of Defence. I exempt the post on Pilot Day because there are obviously touches of aviation photographers there, in general, they have been struggling to do good work lately, especially tiktok-like posts are really unsuccessful. Some may find this strange and say that war cannot be won in front of cameras, yes they may be right, but the biggest brand of our country for 1000 years is its military power. PR should be done for what we are strong, not what we are weak.

 

[Nilgiri]

These deep learning processes are really fascinating. The US Air Force has an extraordinary amount of data. The processing of this big data by AI, okay, it sounds very futuristic, but perhaps it has reached the point where it will make it impossible for manned pilotage to really compete. Think about it, it knows everything the pilot has learnt during his training and service, it knows thousands of hours of ACM data, it knows which decision the pilot is likely to make. And moreover, it performs manoeuvres with completely zero error in flight control. And as if all this were not enough, the manoeuvring envelope of the aircraft controlled by the AI will already be in an advantageous position, since it can be extended to the structural endurance of the aircraft.

edit: I would also like to make another point. Today we learnt that AKINCI diverted KIZILELMA's flight. Does this light a bulb in our heads? Imagine an AKINCI at an altitude of 50K ft and outside the hot contact area, commanding and controlling a KE arm. Of course, it will not be able to power a huge AESA radar, but I think there is a great potential here.

Yup I mentioned this drone integration aspect before somewhere as huge force multiplier for any AF to get started on ASAP.

Machine learning will take it to another level on top for sure.

 

[Bürküt]

The former engineering director of Tusaş's UAV department shared an article on Linkedin when he saw the "Oklavalı" Security Experts on TV. I saw this thanks to Delku from Defenceturk.I used translate directly btw.So translation might be a little weird.

Remzi Barlas on LinkedIn: Türkiye'de İHA: Az Bilinen Gerçekler | 106 comments

Türkiye'de İHA: Az Bilinen Gerçekler | 106 comments on LinkedIn

www.linkedin.com

Last night (April 18, 2023) in a panel discussion on the cnn channel I saw a person who gave himself title of "security policy specialist" talking about history of unmanned aerial vehicle and Baykar.The comments were heated but not very true.Due to overdose I didn't watch the whole show because I couldn't stand it.But I know to inform the public as a duty as someone who has worked in this field for 30 years.

First of all, in yesterday's program, Baykar A.Ş. It was mentioned that the company did not receive any government support. These are the visible and invisible state supports given to the company are as follows.

1) With the presidential decree issued on September 4, 2019 ,105 million dollars were donated for establishing a drone facility for this company and tax exemptions applied. It should also be emphasized that there was an idle production capacity in Tusaş at this date.

2) There is an important detail that should not be overlooked in this decree.It was necessary to go out to tender for Akıncı and Fighter UAVs project (which take part in the UAV roadmap that ssm had Tusaş prepared in 2010) .But instead, it has been accepted that the tender will be given to this firm.

3) As a matter of fact , general manager of Tusaş (who was appointed in 2016 and was known for his closeness to the government) shortly after takin office gave a warrant to the board of directors not to participate in the Akıncı project as TUSAS and forced a decision in this way.

4) It would not be appropriate to enter the details of the UAV features in the specifications here due to confidentiality.
However, more than 10 of the 15 technical features expected from Akıncı UAV are tusaş with the Anka project.
are acquired and field-tested features. In contrast, the Akıncı project is one of these features.
Developing the TB2 UAV, which has only 3 of them, Baykar A.Ş. company, TUSAŞ senior management
with their contributions (!) without a tender. Anka infrastructure developed with state resources was ignored,
for the redevelopment of this infrastructure, Baykar A.Ş. The state may also incur losses by transferring funds to the firm has been beaten. An important detail, the scope of the Anka project is also very important in Türkiye and its surroundings via satellite.The infrastructure established in one of our bases to control a large number of UAVs is also in Akinci due to its incompatibility.became unusable and the damage inflicted was further multiplied by establishing a duplicate center.

5) “From above” in some of the tenders that TUSAS has entered abroad and have a high probability of winning.
Bids were withdrawn with the instructions received, and Baykar A.Ş. It paved the way for him to bid here with a tb2 product with less capacity than Anka. Unfortunately, some of these tenders were also lost.

6) Due to the decision of the general manager of tusaş not to enter the raider project,About 70 tusas engineer with an average of 6-7 years of experience in the Anka project, who cannot see and are demoralized engineer left the company within 2 years after the decision was taken, a significant part of them He went abroad to work. Unfortunately, it is very easy to compensate for this value of approximately 500 man-years does not appear.

7) tusaş developed on the Anka infrastructure with its own resources without any support from the state.
Although Aksungur iha slows down this brain drain to some extent,due to the negative effects of mobbing on level managers,has accelerated.

8) Regarding the negative discrimination applied to TUSAS as of 2022, "the ball of the scale is a bit too
exporting by thinking that "he escaped" and refraining from the news about this.In this regard, tusaş's way was partially opened, and foreign sales of Anka and Aksungur were started.However, it is unfortunately not possible to reverse the results of the wrong policies in the past.

9) Initially, positive discrimination was made in the domestic sales of Baykar A.Ş.'s tb2 product.Facilitation was provided for additional sales and acceptance tests point out some shortcomings about the product .Hearings that pressure was put on the personnel who brought him, and even a change of duty was made has been.

10) many flying tb2s in the field have accumulated flight hours faster than Anka, as a result It has reached operational maturity and gained success by eliminating its mistakes and deficiencies.

11) Due to this operational success in the country, Baykar A.Ş. company's tb2 product, many countries It has attracted the attention of its customers, and with the successes achieved in fields such as Libya, Azerbaijan and Ukraine, it is also ahead of its exports has been opened. At this stage, positive discrimination in foreign relations and financing shown to the company Although it certainly has some effect on exports, the product has proven itself with its successes.

12) Both Tusaş and Baykar A.Ş. and vestel inc. with companies that develop drones, such as
many subsystems, especially aselsan, rocketsan, sage and havelsan, which provide subsystems to them.
There is an ecosystem of defense industry companies. our “defense policy expert” and
a trend that will turn this ecosystem back after the election, as some other touts have said.
it's not possible. With a good planning, the future of our country in this and other matters is very bright.
and it is a necessity in terms of the region we are in. However, the positive exemplified above
discrimination should not be expected to be applied in the same way after the election. the subject of this so-called
this is exactly why it was escalated and agitated with experts and some other commentators; new
fair competition conditions will prevail in the period.

 

[GoatsMilk]

The former engineering director of Tusaş's UAV department shared an article on Linkedin when he saw the "Oklavalı" Security Experts on TV. I saw this thanks to Delku from Defenceturk.I used translate directly btw.So translation might be a little weird.

Remzi Barlas on LinkedIn: Türkiye'de İHA: Az Bilinen Gerçekler | 106 comments

Türkiye'de İHA: Az Bilinen Gerçekler | 106 comments on LinkedIn

www.linkedin.com

Last night (April 18, 2023) he called himself a "security policy expert" in a panel discussion on CNN.
Turkey's unmanned aerial vehicles history and especially Baykar A.Ş. with the company
I saw that you made comments that were heated, but that did not reflect the truth. due to overdose
I did not watch the whole program because I could not remove it, but I did not share the public opinion about the part I watched.I consider it my duty to inform, as someone who has given 30 years to the subject.

First of all, in yesterday's program, Baykar A.Ş. It was mentioned that the company did not receive any government aid. This the visible and invisible state supports given to the company are as follows.

1) Establishing a drone facility for this company with the presidential decree (1) issued on September 4, 2019
600 million TL (at the rate of that time, 105 million dollars were donated and tax exemptions (tax)
discount rate 100%, investment contribution rate 120%) was applied. At this time the state had
It should also be emphasized that there is an idle production capacity in tusaş.

2) an important detail that should not be overlooked in this decree is that in 2010 the ssm {now
ssb) targeted akıncı and fighter in the future, which is included in the UAV roadmap, which was largely prepared by TUSAS.Acceptance that combat UAV projects will be awarded to this firm, when normally it should be tendered
that it has been made.

3) As a matter of fact, he was appointed to TUSAS in 2016 and is known for his closeness to the government and the owner of the company in question.The continuation of the Anka project developed by tusaş, shortly after the general manager took office.Written to the board of directors not to participate in the raider project as tusaş
has taken a decision in this direction.

4) It would not be appropriate to enter the details of the UAV features in the specifications here due to confidentiality.
However, more than 10 of the 15 technical features expected from Akıncı UAV are tusaş with the Anka project.
are acquired and field-tested features. In contrast, the Akıncı project is one of these features.
Developing the TB2 UAV, which has only 3 of them, Baykar A.Ş. company, TUSAŞ senior management
with their contributions (!) without a tender. Anka infrastructure developed with state resources was ignored,
for the redevelopment of this infrastructure, Baykar A.Ş. The state may also incur losses by transferring funds to the firm has been beaten. An important detail, the scope of the Anka project is also very important in Türkiye and its surroundings via satellite.The infrastructure established in one of our bases to control a large number of UAVs is also in Akinci due to its incompatibility.became unusable and the damage inflicted was further multiplied by establishing a duplicate center.

5) “From above” in some of the tenders that TUSAS has entered abroad and have a high probability of winning.
Bids were withdrawn with the instructions received, and Baykar A.Ş. It paved the way for him to bid here with a tb2 product with less capacity than Anka. Unfortunately, some of these tenders were also lost.

6) Due to the decision of the general manager of tusaş not to enter the raider project,About 70 tusas engineer with an average of 6-7 years of experience in the Anka project, who cannot see and are demoralized engineer left the company within 2 years after the decision was taken, a significant part of them He went abroad to work. Unfortunately, it is very easy to compensate for this value of approximately 500 man-years does not appear.

7) tusaş developed on the Anka infrastructure with its own resources without any support from the state.
Although Aksungur iha slows down this brain drain to some extent,due to the negative effects of mobbing on level managers,has accelerated.

8) Regarding the negative discrimination applied to TUSAS as of 2022, "the ball of the scale is a bit too
exporting by thinking that "he escaped" and refraining from the news about this.In this regard, tusaş's way was partially opened, and foreign sales of Anka and Aksungur were started.However, it is unfortunately not possible to reverse the results of the wrong policies in the past.

9) Initially, positive discrimination was made in the domestic sales of Baykar A.Ş.'s tb2 product.Facilitation was provided for additional sales and acceptance tests point out some shortcomings about the product .Hearings that pressure was put on the personnel who brought him, and even a change of duty was made has been.

10) many flying tb2s in the field have accumulated flight hours faster than Anka, as a result It has reached operational maturity and gained success by eliminating its mistakes and deficiencies.

11) Due to this operational success in the country, Baykar A.Ş. company's tb2 product, many countries It has attracted the attention of its customers, and with the successes achieved in fields such as Libya, Azerbaijan and Ukraine, it is also ahead of its exports has been opened. At this stage, positive discrimination in foreign relations and financing shown to the company Although it certainly has some effect on exports, the product has proven itself with its successes.

12) Both Tusaş and Baykar A.Ş. and vestel inc. with companies that develop drones, such as
many subsystems, especially aselsan, rocketsan, sage and havelsan, which provide subsystems to them.
There is an ecosystem of defense industry companies. our “defense policy expert” and
a trend that will turn this ecosystem back after the election, as some other touts have said.
it's not possible. With a good planning, the future of our country in this and other matters is very bright.
and it is a necessity in terms of the region we are in. However, the positive exemplified above
discrimination should not be expected to be applied in the same way after the election. the subject of this so-called
this is exactly why it was escalated and agitated with experts and some other commentators; new
fair competition conditions will prevail in the period.

very interesting.

Do you have any more information on the guy who released the information?

 

[uçuyorum]

Wew lad, the part about being forced to withdraw from tenders is huge if true