TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[I_Love_F16]

I think Algeria based on the news the last 24h

So they did buy both Anka and Akinci right ?

 

[Oublious]

Baykar have a video of the test touch and go, a really detailed video how TB3 touches and fly with in 2 sec. Landing is like falling 2 meter to the ground. They have it only on Insta account.

 

[Heartbang]

Baykar have a video of the test touch and go, a really detailed video how TB3 touches and fly with in 2 sec. Landing is like falling 2 meter to the ground. They have it only on Insta account.

Is this the footage?:

Baykar on Instagram: "#BayraktarTB3 ✈️⚓️🚀 #MilliTeknolojiHamlesi 🌍🇹🇷"

14K likes, 73 comments - baykartech on November 22, 2023: "#BayraktarTB3 ✈️⚓️🚀 #MilliTeknolojiHamlesi 🌍🇹🇷".

www.instagram.com

 

[Oublious]

Is this the footage?:

Baykar on Instagram: "#BayraktarTB3 ✈️⚓️🚀 #MilliTeknolojiHamlesi 🌍🇹🇷"

14K likes, 73 comments - baykartech on November 22, 2023: "#BayraktarTB3 ✈️⚓️🚀 #MilliTeknolojiHamlesi 🌍🇹🇷".

www.instagram.com

yes.

 

[TheInsider]

Possible TF6k TF10k timeline.

The first ignition of TF6k: by the end of this year or Q1 next year.
The first ignition of TF10k: by the end of next year or Q1 2025. (it might be quicker as I'm suspicious that they are designing both in parallel and those 2 are only 6 months apart)
The first delivery and integration of TF6k for the Kızılelma-A: by the end of 2025 or Q1 2026
The first delivery and integration of TF10k for the Kızılelma-B: Q2 2026 to Q4 2026

1-year flight tests on Kızılelma-A, serial production of TF6k starts Q2 to Q3 2027
1-year flight tests on Kızılelma-B, Serial production of TF10k starts Q4 2027 to Q2 2028.

Possible TF35K timeline
Start of the design activities, 2021.
Start of prototype production, 2024.(some parts)
The prototype starts to take shape in Q3/Q4 2025
The first ignition, 2026.
The first delivery, integration, and ground tests, 2028.
The first flight with TF35K, 2029-2030
The first serial production Kaan delivery with TF35K, 2031-2032.

 

[Zafer]

Just a reminder for the "actual" timeline for TS1400:

First ignition: 11.06.2018
First delivery for integration into T625: 05.12.2020 (2.5 years later)
First flight on T625 22.04.2023 (~5 years later)
Serial production (expected): 2025 (~7 years later)

Make of that what you will.

RR designed an engine in 18 months. It all depends on what experience you have. Mr Akşit once said every next engine takes half the time to make. Unless you introduce an unproven and experimental feature to the engine your time to a usable product shortens with every build you make.

 

[Heartbang]

Just a reminder for the "actual" timeline for TS1400:

First ignition: 11.06.2018
First delivery for integration into T625: 05.12.2020 (2.5 years later)
First flight on T625 22.04.2023 (~5 years later)
Serial production (expected): 2025 (~7 years later)

Make of that what you will.

I do think taking the example of TS-1400 is a bit misguiding for two reasons:

1. It is the 1st large-scale turbine engine TEI has developed from the ground up, EVER. You could say that is also the case for TEI's turbofan projects, but TEI isn't as "green" as they are in 2018.
2. TS-1400 is a dual-use engine. It is meant to go in both military AND civilian platforms. Certifying an engine for civilian use is a more through progress. The tests are more numerous and rigorous, therefore it takes more time.

 

[infrared]

Guys i know some users prefer pink lies over truth, but here is another reality check for you.

Pd170:
First ignition: 30.01.2017
First flight on anka: 27.12.2018
30k feet altitude flight test on aksungur: 13.11.2023
18k feet altitude flight test on tb3: 21.11.2023

Is it civilian engine: no
Is it large scale turbine engine: no
Is it being used in a serial production as of today 7 years after its first ignition: NO

Make of that what you will.

 

[Zafer]

Guys i know some users prefer pink lies over truth, but here is another reality check for you.

Pd170:
First ignition: 30.01.2017
First flight on anka: 27.12.2018
30k feet altitude flight test on aksungur: 13.11.2023
18k feet altitude flight test on tb3: 21.11.2023

Is it civilian engine: no
Is it large scale turbine engine: no
Is it being used in a serial production as of today 7 years after its first ignition: NO

Make of that what you will.

Who is lying, is Mr Akşit lying?

 

[Zafer]

President Erdoğan:

Baykar’ın zirve diyebileceğimiz eseri malum KIZILELMA. Şimdi KIZILELMA’nın son testlerini yapıyorlar. Aşmaları gereken mesele kendi yerli motorunu üretmek. Bunu başardığı andan itibaren de zaten KIZILELMA’nın dünyaya karşı duruşu farklı olacaktır. Tabii burada Aselsan’ın üzerine de düşen bir yük var, kamera üretimi. Motor üretim süreci maalesef nereden bakarsanız bakın herhalde bir beş yılı alır. Bu süre zarfında biz motor ithal ederek yürümek durumundayız.

I would think that there maybe a different engine effort for Kızılelma than the TF6000. What is hapening with the Black Sea Shield now, I wonder.

In this statement of Erdoğan, he mentions Aselsan as the optics maker but never mentions TEI for engines and talks in a manner that suggest that Baykar alone is to make the engine.

 

[Samba]

I wonder what is the lowest speed tb3 can fly.

 

[Zafer]

I wonder what is the lowest speed tb3 can fly.

TB3's stall speed should be around 140kmh, depends on the loaded weight.

 

[Anmdt]

I would think that there maybe a different engine effort for Kızılelma than the TF6000. What is hapening with the Black Sea Shield now, I wonder

Ukranian side dragging feet, is what happening. Since ever.

Guys i know some users prefer pink lies over truth, but here is another reality check for you.

Pd170:
First ignition: 30.01.2017
First flight on anka: 27.12.2018
30k feet altitude flight test on aksungur: 13.11.2023
18k feet altitude flight test on tb3: 21.11.2023

Is it civilian engine: no
Is it large scale turbine engine: no
Is it being used in a serial production as of today 7 years after its first ignition: NO

Make of that what you will.

18k feet test is of the platform, not the engine. PD-170 is powering TB3, not being tested on it.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727562413816320029

TAI UAV Systems Deputy General Manager Ömer Yıldız:

"ANKA-III is an approximately 7-ton aircraft, but its 150-kilogram version has been flying for a while. In the meantime, we will have 2 more aircraft, approximately 700-800 kilograms and over 1 ton."

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727562413816320029

TAI UAV Systems Deputy General Manager Ömer Yıldız:

"ANKA-III is an approximately 7-ton aircraft, but its 150-kilogram version has been flying for a while. In the meantime, we will have 2 more aircraft, approximately 700-800 kilograms and over 1 ton."

A plane is married to an engine, then where are the brides.

 

[Merzifonlu]

A plane is married to an engine, then where are the brides.

IMO, a very very good question.

 

[Anmdt]

IMO, a very very good question.

Assuming we need thrust to weight ratio of 0.55 to 0.7, we would be needing TF/TJ engines capable to deliver 300 to 400 kgs and 700 to 1000 kgs. What are the available options?

KTJ-3700 (or if they develop, TF of this size) could be able to power ~700 kg version. The motor life spans to 17 hours and i believe can be improved for long-run applications like a drone.

For the latter we definitely need a new TF but that shouldn't trouble TEI and as once promised to SSB, Kale R&D should be capable of developing an engine delivering up to 1000 kg thrust by 2025.

Apart from these, what are the available options in the market?

 

[Samba]

TB3's stall speed should be around 140kmh, depends on the loaded weight.

Approaching to the deck of TCG Anadolu with that speed, touching landing gears after roughly 30 meters, then TB3 will have 200 meters to stop. I assume 150meters will suffice and it won't be an issue.

 

[Ecderha]

The moments when the Bayraktar Kızılelma Unmanned Combat Aircraft touches the runway, known as 'Touch-and-Go' in aviation, and takes off again without stopping!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727339137844326869

 

[Zafer]

The moments when the Bayraktar Kızılelma Unmanned Combat Aircraft touches the runway, known as 'Touch-and-Go' in aviation, and takes off again without stopping!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727339137844326869

It is also called "aborted landing" in aviation.