TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Tornadoss]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727268458130506165

Full rate production for TF6000 confirmed as 5 years?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727283835052961993

"If it takes 5 years for a 6k lbf engine, how many years do we have to wait for a 35k lbf engine?

With this statement, our dreams have entered the black bag. We are eagerly waiting to see how the MMU will fly with a domestic engine in 2028."

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I have a question (that I probably could google), but when you turn on the afterburner, you're talking about sudden increase in speed and thus higher pressure, but is it possible to gradually turn on the afterburner in steps to minimize the sudden thrust ?

Yes. You can gradually increase the afterburner's thrust. But if your engine is not designed to withstand that increase it is still going to be a problem.

As per @Afif ’s explanation , you can introduce afterburner in stages. The fuel spray nozzles can be adjusted in say 5 stages in the case of f16s to increase afterburner level in increments.
When the fuel air mix is burnt in the combustion chamber to the full it would create too high a temperature for the innards of an engine to withstand. Therefore a cooler air is introduced by the compressor to the airflow before it goes through the turbines. So when the hot air exits the turbine it has a good deal of oxygen in it. When you spray this hot air with fuel, it will use this oxygen and reheat the exhausted air, increasing thrust.
During dogfight when you are in full dry thrust and suddenly need extra power to get out of a sticky situation or you find there is a missile on your tail, you are not going to think about staged afterburner.

 

[UkroTurk]

TF 6000 is supposed to be used in ANKA-3 , isn't it?
ANKA -3 doesn't need afterburner.

 

[Zafer]

The engine in question may not even be one of TEI's

 

[Quasar]

 

[Quasar]

TF 6000 is supposed to be used in ANKA-3 , isn't it?
ANKA -3 doesn't need afterburner.

Bro in fact afterburner is not the most favouable thing nowadays for any platform but just a scientific trick as we all know. ANKA & KIZILELMA may never need a sudden thrust increase...

 

[uçuyorum]

Bro in fact afterburner is not the most favouable thing nowadays for any platform but just a scientific trick as we all know. ANKA & KIZILELMA may never need a sudden thrust increase...

Isn’t it most useful for increasing take off weight and or reducing distance

 

[cr33pt3d]

Bro in fact afterburner is not the most favouable thing nowadays for any platform but just a scientific trick as we all know. ANKA & KIZILELMA may never need a sudden thrust increase...

On land they probably won't need it but if we intend to use them on naval platforms, it is needed ! TCG Trakya

 

[Ecderha]

Akıncı TİHA were exported to 8 countries from today

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727039434892451932

 

[Saithan]

I think Algeria based on the news the last 24h

 

[I_Love_F16]

I think Algeria based on the news the last 24h

So they did buy both Anka and Akinci right ?

 

[Oublious]

Baykar have a video of the test touch and go, a really detailed video how TB3 touches and fly with in 2 sec. Landing is like falling 2 meter to the ground. They have it only on Insta account.

 

[Heartbang]

Baykar have a video of the test touch and go, a really detailed video how TB3 touches and fly with in 2 sec. Landing is like falling 2 meter to the ground. They have it only on Insta account.

Is this the footage?:

Baykar on Instagram: "#BayraktarTB3 ✈️⚓️🚀 #MilliTeknolojiHamlesi 🌍🇹🇷"

15K likes, 80 comments - baykartech on November 22, 2023: "#BayraktarTB3 ✈️⚓️🚀 #MilliTeknolojiHamlesi 🌍🇹🇷".

www.instagram.com

 

[Oublious]

Is this the footage?:

Baykar on Instagram: "#BayraktarTB3 ✈️⚓️🚀 #MilliTeknolojiHamlesi 🌍🇹🇷"

15K likes, 80 comments - baykartech on November 22, 2023: "#BayraktarTB3 ✈️⚓️🚀 #MilliTeknolojiHamlesi 🌍🇹🇷".

www.instagram.com

yes.

 

[TheInsider]

Possible TF6k TF10k timeline.

The first ignition of TF6k: by the end of this year or Q1 next year.
The first ignition of TF10k: by the end of next year or Q1 2025. (it might be quicker as I'm suspicious that they are designing both in parallel and those 2 are only 6 months apart)
The first delivery and integration of TF6k for the Kızılelma-A: by the end of 2025 or Q1 2026
The first delivery and integration of TF10k for the Kızılelma-B: Q2 2026 to Q4 2026

1-year flight tests on Kızılelma-A, serial production of TF6k starts Q2 to Q3 2027
1-year flight tests on Kızılelma-B, Serial production of TF10k starts Q4 2027 to Q2 2028.

Possible TF35K timeline
Start of the design activities, 2021.
Start of prototype production, 2024.(some parts)
The prototype starts to take shape in Q3/Q4 2025
The first ignition, 2026.
The first delivery, integration, and ground tests, 2028.
The first flight with TF35K, 2029-2030
The first serial production Kaan delivery with TF35K, 2031-2032.

 

[Zafer]

Just a reminder for the "actual" timeline for TS1400:

First ignition: 11.06.2018
First delivery for integration into T625: 05.12.2020 (2.5 years later)
First flight on T625 22.04.2023 (~5 years later)
Serial production (expected): 2025 (~7 years later)

Make of that what you will.

RR designed an engine in 18 months. It all depends on what experience you have. Mr Akşit once said every next engine takes half the time to make. Unless you introduce an unproven and experimental feature to the engine your time to a usable product shortens with every build you make.

 

[Heartbang]

Just a reminder for the "actual" timeline for TS1400:

First ignition: 11.06.2018
First delivery for integration into T625: 05.12.2020 (2.5 years later)
First flight on T625 22.04.2023 (~5 years later)
Serial production (expected): 2025 (~7 years later)

Make of that what you will.

I do think taking the example of TS-1400 is a bit misguiding for two reasons:

1. It is the 1st large-scale turbine engine TEI has developed from the ground up, EVER. You could say that is also the case for TEI's turbofan projects, but TEI isn't as "green" as they are in 2018.
2. TS-1400 is a dual-use engine. It is meant to go in both military AND civilian platforms. Certifying an engine for civilian use is a more through progress. The tests are more numerous and rigorous, therefore it takes more time.

 

[infrared]

Guys i know some users prefer pink lies over truth, but here is another reality check for you.

Pd170:
First ignition: 30.01.2017
First flight on anka: 27.12.2018
30k feet altitude flight test on aksungur: 13.11.2023
18k feet altitude flight test on tb3: 21.11.2023

Is it civilian engine: no
Is it large scale turbine engine: no
Is it being used in a serial production as of today 7 years after its first ignition: NO

Make of that what you will.

 

[Zafer]

Guys i know some users prefer pink lies over truth, but here is another reality check for you.

Pd170:
First ignition: 30.01.2017
First flight on anka: 27.12.2018
30k feet altitude flight test on aksungur: 13.11.2023
18k feet altitude flight test on tb3: 21.11.2023

Is it civilian engine: no
Is it large scale turbine engine: no
Is it being used in a serial production as of today 7 years after its first ignition: NO

Make of that what you will.

Who is lying, is Mr Akşit lying?

 

[Zafer]

President Erdoğan:

Baykar’ın zirve diyebileceğimiz eseri malum KIZILELMA. Şimdi KIZILELMA’nın son testlerini yapıyorlar. Aşmaları gereken mesele kendi yerli motorunu üretmek. Bunu başardığı andan itibaren de zaten KIZILELMA’nın dünyaya karşı duruşu farklı olacaktır. Tabii burada Aselsan’ın üzerine de düşen bir yük var, kamera üretimi. Motor üretim süreci maalesef nereden bakarsanız bakın herhalde bir beş yılı alır. Bu süre zarfında biz motor ithal ederek yürümek durumundayız.

I would think that there maybe a different engine effort for Kızılelma than the TF6000. What is hapening with the Black Sea Shield now, I wonder.

In this statement of Erdoğan, he mentions Aselsan as the optics maker but never mentions TEI for engines and talks in a manner that suggest that Baykar alone is to make the engine.