TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[GoatsMilk]

Turkey has so many benefits that Iran, or any other regional adversary wishes they had. But our government is useless.

Even without the benefit of being in the OTS and NATO, we're a powerhouse on our own.

We're a secular, militaristic ethno-state with the best military in the region, sitting on the most strategic land in the world. Most Arabs and Iranians despise us because of this, the same way that Armenians, Greeks and Kurds do. They hate the idea of a more secular government coming into power, especially one which would fix the refugee problem. Why? Because their biggest fear is an ethically homogenous Türkiye that is also modern and respected by the wider world. In other words, our regional enemies want us to become another middle eastern sh*thole.

We were stupid enough to back a bunch of uncoordinated Islamists in Syria. Take in millions of Syrians, many of whom were terrorists. Meanwhile the entire west supported PKK, made them look like angels whilst making us look like we supported ISIS.

How stupid could we have been to fall for this? Were we really stupid, or were we just full of traitors? And are we still full of traitors?

We need to ask ourselves why we always lose at the table despite all the advantages we have.

In general i know lots of people from the MENA region, from Morocco to Iraq, Iran. I always got this underlying impression that these people were kind of envious that we were not at the same level as them. You would get negative quips about being "secular" or they would talk negatively of Ataturk.

I pushed my fair share of "islamism" on this forum, as a Muslim i see a wider Muslim civilisation and truth be told i see the Turks are the core component of it. But with next to no doubts i came to realise a long time ago that "political islamism" is just "cultural marxism" for Muslims. They believe that if they can destroy your national resolve, or ethnic character they will effectively destroy Islamic civilisation from ever challenging them(west, russia, isreal) in any meaningful manner. We see a similar game happening to Turks in Greece, they ban them from identifying as Turks, but push that they are "greek Muslims instead. The enemy understands and how Islam can be used to deceive and subdue the Turk.

I saw this come up in my feed and cut to the points where it talks about Turkiye, nationalism etc? Its a good example of the "islamist" failed mindset.

From what i understand this guy worked in Turkiye teaching Ottoman history. He hates the fact that Turks are nationalistic, everything bad about our history is associated to being a "Turk" everything good is "Islam". Even the host makes the point how Turks can look western European to Mongolian, so what have they got to be proud/nationalistic about. Playing his western style identity politics of skin colour being the basis for national character, history or culture. Also indirectly insulting the "Turk" identity.

He mentions how the influx of refugees has had an effect on the rise of nationalism in Turkiye, basically saying its bad that your reacting negatively to it. A similar thing happens here in england with pakistani/bangladeshi islamist types. Where they hate the english for getting annoyed about uncontrolled migrations into their country. Then they go round screaming "allahu akbar in their shalvar type clothes playing into their hands". Anyway he turns the narrative back round that the Ottomans were great because they accepted endless hordes of refugees. Implying that Turks are bad because the entire MENA east has rights to country.

Muslims on the one hand want to bask in our historical glory, the great empires, the conquests the wars. But at the same time they want to shit on our Turkish identity. Despite being Muslim, im actually sick of Islamists to a point where i think the grand majority of them are absolute shitheads, fools or worse yet western agents.

I advise all Muslims to beware that this political islamist agenda for the most part is really just socialism/communism against Islamic civilisation. Its a western trojan horse.

From a foreign policy perspective this constant attack on Turkish identity undercuts Turkiyes ability to help the region. It works to delegitimise us in a world where Muslims have no issues supporting the Russians, the Chinese, two hardcore nationalistic states that both have devastated their Muslim minorities.

 

[YeşilVatan]

US being non white majority isn't a problem for them. Whether it's Asian Americans, Indian Americans or Latino Americans or, by and large everyone integrates well compared to Europe. Not to mention US tech companies and Ivy league universities still attract the most talent pool around the world.

Best universities and talent don't mean anything if your decision makers are hellbent on destroying your nation. In fact, it helps them become more efficient. America is on the latest stage of its transformation from a nation with a shared past, values and goals to a soulless economic zone -a corporation.

Demographics is just one aspect of this transformation but probably the most important one. Soon they will understand what keeps a country going: civic virtue and personal sacrifices sustained by a sense of nationhood. Westerners will find out that duty and willpower triumphs profits and tricks, when material conditions are the same.

Bringing the topic back to Turkish foreign policy; Ukraine and Gaza feel like the small wars just before WWI; 1905 Russo Japanese, 1911 Italo-Turkish, 1912-1913 Balkan. My guess is whatever happens, we must protect our neutrality at any cost.

 

[Nilgiri]

We probably are, but do we? I don’t see it in Syria or in Iraq.

Tears have nothing to do with it. Iran is already enforcing its will over the region in Syria, Iraq, gulf and even Caucasus. Over the last 15 years, we’ve sat back and watched as the Shia Crescent was formed near our borders. More than half of Iraq is firmly under Iranian control, Iranian militants are on our borders as west as Tal Rıfat and Idlib. Our Syrian policy for the last 5 years is about waiting a greenlight from Russia or US and our Iraqi development road project exists as long as Iran allows it. Turkey sits back and takes it as it is while Iran plays the long game, due to multiple reasons. One of which is Iran is an hornet’s nest. By how two countries are situated and Iranian interests, we can never align our interests because Iran won’t allow it and we can’t actively destabilize them because a destabilized Iran is hell for every country in the region. We can’t position ourselves against Iran with US and Israel so we go for Gulf Arab countries. But unlike Saudi or UAE which have great relations with China, we don’t.

I don’t think this question has a definitive answer and i’m not as geopolitically savvy to have an answer.

Issue for Turkiye is it is a secular foundation (w.r.t Ataturk and its republic) and ideology deep enough in its national fibre now (this always applies pressure on its own state politics for the longer term...and restricts what the state can do to veer from the inertia set in on it).

Quite the opposite to what has happened with Iran post the 79 revolution regarding its state at least. So Iran's govt (state) meshes in the mid and long term with the large ideological clay in the region available to it.

This brings high long term costs and risks to Iran too btw....that Turkiye will not have to deal with if it steers the course well while waiting things out.

Turks have to know how to be a rock and trust in Ataturk's vision (and strengthen it always within own country at all junctures).

Of course apply and deploy great strength and deterrence to protect one's borders and security......and work with what you got past own borders with this in mind......but understand the ready raw state of region is default an anti-Ataturk one. This is how the west itself has also involved itself in ways antithetical to Turkish nation and state in the region....what is easily on offer to fund to hold much larger Turkish power to contain/resist it.

In the longest term, Turks have to be thinking for a post fossil fuel energy world....that is where Turkiyes industrial might will come into play in much larger way regarding what pays the bills for security in the end (if it invests well up to say 2050) versus the oil slush fund driven region. This alone will sap a lot from the Iranian regime then (assuming it is still there and the region's sociological state has not shifted much).

The Turks will also have to watch and judge the West and NATO, West's allies etc (regd tech tree flow and market access pertaining to these for itself).... vis a vis how China and Russia develop things with Iran (i.e its much limited model Iran has to enable here).

 

[Bozan]

Turkey has so many benefits that Iran, or any other regional adversary wishes they had. But our government is useless.

Even without the benefit of being in the OTS and NATO, we're a powerhouse on our own.

We're a secular, militaristic ethno-state with the best military in the region, sitting on the most strategic land in the world. Most Arabs and Iranians despise us because of this, the same way that Armenians, Greeks and Kurds do. They hate the idea of a more secular government coming into power, especially one which would fix the refugee problem. Why? Because their biggest fear is an ethically homogenous Türkiye that is also modern and respected by the wider world. In other words, our regional enemies want us to become another middle eastern sh*thole.

We were stupid enough to back a bunch of uncoordinated Islamists in Syria. Take in millions of Syrians, many of whom were terrorists. Meanwhile the entire west supported PKK, made them look like angels whilst making us look like we supported ISIS.

How stupid could we have been to fall for this? Were we really stupid, or were we just full of traitors? And are we still full of traitors?

We need to ask ourselves why we always lose at the table despite all the advantages we have.

The AKP period has been the most stable in terms of military coups and some of that extreme militarism in the past contributed to the rise of the PKK - I don't think the west is responsible for it, pretending Kurds didn't work well at all

Foreign policy has always been handicapped by domestic concerns anyway, this was also exacerbated by Erdogan's Islamist goals. He wants to be a beacon in the islamic world, like his former ally Gülen

 

[Nilgiri]

In general i know lots of people from the MENA region, from Morocco to Iraq, Iran. I always got this underlying impression that these people were kind of envious that we were not at the same level as them. You would get negative quips about being "secular" or they would talk negatively of Ataturk.

I pushed my fair share of "islamism" on this forum, as a Muslim i see a wider Muslim civilisation and truth be told i see the Turks are the core component of it. But with next to no doubts i came to realise a long time ago that "political islamism" is just "cultural marxism" for Muslims. They believe that if they can destroy your national resolve, or ethnic character they will effectively destroy Islamic civilisation from ever challenging them(west, russia, isreal) in any meaningful manner. We see a similar game happening to Turks in Greece, they ban them from identifying as Turks, but push that they are "greek Muslims instead. The enemy understands and how Islam can be used to deceive and subdue the Turk.

I saw this come up in my feed and cut to the points where it talks about Turkiye, nationalism etc? Its a good example of the "islamist" failed mindset.

From what i understand this guy worked in Turkiye teaching Ottoman history. He hates the fact that Turks are nationalistic, everything bad about our history is associated to being a "Turk" everything good is "Islam". Even the host makes the point how Turks can look western European to Mongolian, so what have they got to be proud/nationalistic about. Playing his western style identity politics of skin colour being the basis for national character, history or culture. Also indirectly insulting the "Turk" identity.

He mentions how the influx of refugees has had an effect on the rise of nationalism in Turkiye, basically saying its bad that your reacting negatively to it. A similar thing happens here in england with pakistani/bangladeshi islamist types. Where they hate the english for getting annoyed about uncontrolled migrations into their country. Then they go round screaming "allahu akbar in their shalvar type clothes playing into their hands". Anyway he turns the narrative back round that the Ottomans were great because they accepted endless hordes of refugees. Implying that Turks are bad because the entire MENA east has rights to country.

Muslims on the one hand want to bask in our historical glory, the great empires, the conquests the wars. But at the same time they want to shit on our Turkish identity. Despite being Muslim, im actually sick of Islamists to a point where i think the grand majority of them are absolute shitheads, fools or worse yet western agents.

I advise all Muslims to beware that this political islamist agenda for the most part is really just socialism/communism against Islamic civilisation. Its a western trojan horse.

From a foreign policy perspective this constant attack on Turkish identity undercuts Turkiyes ability to help the region. It works to delegitimise us in a world where Muslims have no issues supporting the Russians, the Chinese, two hardcore nationalistic states that both have devastated their Muslim minorities.

The nation, state and nationstate.

The importance of the proper social contract that best arranges authority and public trust from insight and experience of history at both collective and individual realm cannot be overlooked. The success of any country/society for the longest duration rests upon this and realising in enough intensity (especially by those best in positions of power/responsiblity)...the positive and negative variables all along the route involved.

If as many Turks as possible always read in depth from beginning to end the story of Ataturk, the answers of what realities moulded him through his military career.... that he harnessed to make a republic....the Turkish nation is secure as that period of time and Ataturk really dramatically captures this for the Turkish national context more than anything else.

As I explained to a friend of mine, Ataturk could sense the what (Turks wanted and required) and the who (the Turks even were) in the broadest picture required for it.... to filter out the noise and distraction and conflation of other things that had ultimately harmed and costed the Turks in the Ottoman era....that should not be repeated among the nation of Turks again. Things like why a state should be secular for it to be optimally aligned with the unique nation it serves.

So when any nation inverts itself or ignores and mentally victimises/doubts itself in sufficient capacity for whatever reason, one will find the short-circuiting (to the state and its statist levers) of all kind of counter-ideologies finding room and permeation where previously they were little or in check. The very word "nationalism" is turned into a bad word in certain parts of over-wrought society by this short-circuiting (bypassing the nation itself)....be it by (statist/theocratic oriented) religion or by marxism....anything that does not exist as default, but exists in the recesses (given the world's reality and turbulence) looking to become the default (by undermining what occupies the default). Ideological tension, coercion and then conflict and war (overt or subvert depending on the circumstances easiest for it). This is exactly why you find similarity in political islam and marxism....its a statist short circuit grab to then slave the nation till its ideologically supportive itself to those designs.

If the national scaffolding is built poorly (again w.r.t optimal social contract), it is undermined easily or great damage is done within it even while it may be big enough to exist outwardly.

If its built well like in Ataturk's republic, it will take much longer to do and there will be warning signs. In the end the ideology of the good republic (and what is good and what is a republic) has to prevail in enough minds of the people to recognise things deeply enough....that which has provided well and they should be grateful for and further nurture...roots to flower. Cutting flowers away from the roots is cut flowers and it has become in vogue in certain corners of the world (though the reasons/contexts vary a bit) in over-wrought and undermining processes.

What is your current take on how much the Turkish nation adequately grasps what I mean with Ataturk?

 

[Afif]

So when any nation inverts itself or ignores and mentally victimises/doubts itself in sufficient capacity for whatever reason, one will find the short-circuiting (to the state and its statist levers) of all kind of counter-ideologies finding room and permeation where previously they were little or in check. The very word "nationalism" is turned into a bad word in certain parts of over-wrought society by this short-circuiting (bypassing the nation itself)....be it by (statist/theocratic oriented) religion or by marxism....anything that does not exist as default, but exists in the recesses (given the world's reality and turbulence) looking to become the default (by undermining what occupies the default). Ideological tension, coercion and then conflict and war (overt or subvert depending on the circumstances easiest for it). This is exactly why you find similarity in political islam and marxism....its a statist short circuit grab to then slave the nation till its ideologically supportive itself to those designs.

I would say this is insufficient to explain the full picture. It doesn't have be manufactured victimisation/self victimisation. One nation could actually be a victim of real world oppression and destruction. That would also consequently trigger a series of 'shortcircuits' as a sort of defence mechanism. Which did happened in various cases.

Also, in many societies islamism is default. And what actually led to many of the problems we are witnessing, is trying to curb it in bad faith or in ways that took away people's fundamental rights. Perfect example is, some of ME previous secular dictators.

 

[Iskander]

In New Caledonia (the so-called “Overseas Territory of France”), an uprising against French colonialism began with the support of the Baku Initiative Group (BIG).

Curfew Imposed Amid Protests in Pacific Territory of New Caledonia

The unrest was set off by a plan to let more French citizens vote in the territory, which independence activists say would water down their movement.

www.nytimes.com

For several years now, Baku has been demanding that France not interfere in the internal affairs of Azerbaijan under the pretext of “solving the Karabakh problem.” Paris did not accept our demand.
Well, we solved our problem.
But this game can be played by two
Now Paris is complaining that Azerbaijan, together with the People's Republic of China, is raising up local peoples in the colonies against France.
Right.
This is a noble cause.
There is an uprising in New Caledonia. The rebellious people demand that Paris respect its right to national identity!
The rebels raised the Azerbaijani flag next to the New Caledonian flag.
After that, it's Corsica's turn

Quand des puissances étrangères ciblent les outre-mer français

Russie, Chine, Azerbaïdjan, Comores... Plusieurs pays mènent des opérations d’ingérences ou de déstabilisation dans les outre-mer français. La Nouvelle-Calédonie et Mayotte sont les plus visées.

www.radiofrance.fr

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790604967864099006

I don't want to get conspiratorial, but I think the USA tried to drive a wedge between Turkey and Japan for years with PKK. But the Japanese are too smart and aware, they've realized what was happening. Now that plan has backfired and the Japanese people are openly declaring support for Turkey.

 

[mehmed beg]

In New Caledonia (the so-called “Overseas Territory of France”), an uprising against French colonialism began with the support of the Baku Initiative Group (BIG).

Curfew Imposed Amid Protests in Pacific Territory of New Caledonia

The unrest was set off by a plan to let more French citizens vote in the territory, which independence activists say would water down their movement.

www.nytimes.com

For several years now, Baku has been demanding that France not interfere in the internal affairs of Azerbaijan under the pretext of “solving the Karabakh problem.” Paris did not accept our demand.
Well, we solved our problem.
But this game can be played by two
Now Paris is complaining that Azerbaijan, together with the People's Republic of China, is raising up local peoples in the colonies against France.
Right.
This is a noble cause.
There is an uprising in New Caledonia. The rebellious people demand that Paris respect its right to national identity!
The rebels raised the Azerbaijani flag next to the New Caledonian flag.
After that, it's Corsica's turn

Quand des puissances étrangères ciblent les outre-mer français

Russie, Chine, Azerbaïdjan, Comores... Plusieurs pays mènent des opérations d’ingérences ou de déstabilisation dans les outre-mer français. La Nouvelle-Calédonie et Mayotte sont les plus visées.

www.radiofrance.fr

Ilhan is Kaagan for me , I adore that man

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790790310185902228

 

[Iskander]

Azerbaijan International Cultural Center was opened in Cyprus.
The opening ceremony of the Azerbaijan International Cultural Center, established under the leadership of the Azerbaijan-Cyprus Friendship Society, which has been operating in TRNC since 2012, was held this evening at 17.00.

Azerbaycan Uluslararası Kültür Merkezi açıldı

Azerbaycan-Kıbrıs Dostluk Cemiyeti tarafından yapılan “Azerbaycan Uluslararası Kültür Merkezi”, hizmete girdi.

www.kibrispostasi.com

 

[Nilgiri]

I would say this is insufficient to explain the full picture. It doesn't have be manufactured victimisation/self victimisation. One nation could actually be a victim of real world oppression and destruction. That would also consequently trigger a series of 'shortcircuits' as a sort of defence mechanism. Which did happened in various cases.

Also, in many societies islamism is default. And what actually led to many of the problems we are witnessing, is trying to curb it in bad faith or in ways that took away people's fundamental rights. Perfect example is, some of ME previous secular dictators.

That's true to some degree too. I guess I'm talking more about nations where there has been a long enough record and maturation of an intelligentsia formed to study and analyse these dynamics of esteem vs say grievance in the nationalism aspect.

Given this is a foreign policy + geopolitics thread, basically the subset of countries that have noticeable surplus power and influence to exert past their borders.

Quasi and pseudo nations that have not developed this sufficiently (we can then argue how much is their fault vs another's fault in todays current snapshot.....but that will take a long time for analysis) and are permeated and compromised extensively (and thus exploited in high degree by any power class within them and power classes outside them) is another topic.



2nd part of what you mention is complicated to get into. The republic must form and establish first (or its equivalent in the bounded monarchy i.e constitutional monarchy if you really want to keep a monarch around)....for it to set democratic operations into play.

This again requires a study of say the Turkish model w.r.t Ataturk deeply. Not just the person himself but the processes he implemented for the long run and why regarding both the setup and operation of the constitution (and the intuition he had for this version of the social contract and where that came from regarding his life experience up to that point).

There is no democracy possible without the guarantee of basic rights by the law. Democracy flows from the Republic.

W.r.t US (the most powerful democratic republic currently), this was for example drastically seen at the conclusion of the civil war (past such things as habeas corpus suspension during it)....when there is "quasi peace time"....essentially ongoing destruction of the working republic law and order in sufficient capacity in states being "readmitted".

There was suspension of democracy during this process where the Klan et al. were (past their heavy subversion and coercion from CSA militia residuals).... running lose murdering judges and sheriffs trying to implement law and order again of the Republic....and in the wake of a President that had been assassinated as well.

The quasi peace time and its shadow form the quasi civil war is the argument used by dictators, despots and autocrats in their argument (if they have one) of forming a republic.

But in hindsight you always see if they actually genuinely believed it....or it was an ersatz excuse (including the secularism).

Ataturk obviously believed in it....and in the largest possible way for his nation's destiny.

Many commentators today likely would have called him an autocrat/dictator if they were inserted back then at some point....or likewise if an Ataturk popped up somewhere today and was setting things into longer term working order w.r.t actual long term constitutionalism for the republic and its institutions and the massive advantage of secularism and forming things like the Diyanet to see this through w.r.t personal religious liberty in the nation's citizenry.

The larger Muslim world would have done better in every case with their forms of Ataturk, but they largely didn't get such.

That is why everything considered in, among the Muslim countries of the world, I hold Turkiye in the highest regard as its unique success story in its core.

This is why Goatsmilk and others sense what they do even when they have moved to the West.....there is an archetype concerning the destructive process for any nation through what is cultivated against the nation simply to take over the state and then try craft another type of nation.

Turks have their inertia and resistances baked in (and the West does to its degrees in its higher privileged setting....which can be debated) and they express themselves in various ways.....but wise Turks must remain ever-vigilant deep down as to the what, why and who found in Ataturk's story. This is unique inheritance that has served them very well and it is to their advantage to sustain it.

 

[Iskander]

French rooster
started crowing furiously

Emmanuel Macron convened a meeting of the Council for the Defense of the Republic at the Elysee Palace in connection with the uprising in New Caledonia (a French colony in the Pacific). Paris declared
a state of emergency in New Caledonia, where hundreds of indigenous people (Kanak) were injured and three died during the crackdown on protests. Paris sent four gendarmerie squadrons to the island, as well as additional police special forces units.
The Kanaks demand independence from France, - Azerbaijani sources report

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790719026240360484

 

[Afif]

Turkish Naval diplomacy at Chottogram.

Turkish navy ship "TCG Kinaliada" has conducted a two-day visit to Chattogram port in celebration of 50 years of diplomatic relations between Bangladesh and Türkiye. The visit carried out on 7-9 May also aimed at strengthening the bilateral relations between Turkiye and Bangladesh.

 

[Ryder]

The reason why Nation state experiment failed in a lot of Muslim countries because they came from Empire or Kingdom rule then came colonialism.

Empires have always been diverse and you have numerous nations living in 1 empire. Lets narrow it down to ethnic groups, tribes and clans.

Lots of Islamic Empires of Turkic, Arab, African, Persian, Amazigh and other origins like Indian.

Why im including Indian because Muslim Empires that ruled India were not just Turkic, Afghan or Persian based they also included Indian elements hence why Baburs descendants overtime largely became Indian rather than Turkic.

Arabs in their case they usually tell themselves about the Arab caliphates that ruled usually see them as the ones to emulate.

Arabs and Turks may share the same religion also share some cultural aspects due to them mingling with each other for centuries.

Arabs will never see themselves apart of the Ottoman and Seljuk legacies largely due to them being Turkic.

To build a nation state you need to use history as a continutation. There hasnt been a Arab Empire or a kingdom in the Middle East for centuries. Im not including Oman and Morocco since they were largely their own for centuries. Oman has always been a different Arab country due to Ibadi Islam.

Turkiye has the Ottomans and Seljuks while Russia has the Soviets and the Tsars. China has Qing and the Ming.

Last Arab Empire or Caliphate was the Abbassids which collapsed in 1258. Middle East largely spent most of its time under foreign rule.

Its a bit of a offtopic. I do believe nation states are born out of sense of continuity to the old.

 

[Heartbang]

French rooster
started crowing furiously

Emmanuel Macron convened a meeting of the Council for the Defense of the Republic at the Elysee Palace in connection with the uprising in New Caledonia (a French colony in the Pacific). Paris declared
a state of emergency in New Caledonia, where hundreds of indigenous people (Kanak) were injured and three died during the crackdown on protests. Paris sent four gendarmerie squadrons to the island, as well as additional police special forces units.
The Kanaks demand independence from France, - Azerbaijani sources report

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790719026240360484

Up next, Corsica!

(inshallah)

 

[Bozan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791039173400375419

Seems it's real, more and more and more reporting published on it.

Omar, who supports his mother and three siblings, said since leaving his home in August he receives a "very good" monthly salary of $1,500 for his work in the West African nation.

He hopes his earnings will help him start a small business and quit the battlefield, after years working as a fighter for a pro-Ankara faction.

We're sending the Turkmen and Arabs on a grand adventure to Africa to guard mines with a monthly $1500 dollars payment for your families to survive only if you survive, that is if your gang leaders in the SNA don't steal it first (along with the $350 fee they take from your salary)

Also that business he wants to start. Will it be in Syria ? No... it'll be in Istanbul or Ankara.

He and two other pro-Ankara Syrian fighters who spoke to AFP in recent weeks said they had enlisted for work in Niger with the Sultan Murad faction, one of Turkey's most loyal proxies in northern Syria.

They said they had signed six-month contracts at the faction's headquarters with private firm SADAT International Defense Consultancy.

"SADAT officers came into the room and we signed the contract with them," said fighter Ahmed.

Another group "was sent to fight Boko Haram (jihadists) and another was sent to Lome" in neighbouring Togo, he said, without providing details about their mission.


His family collects his monthly salary, minus a $350 fee for his faction.

Also, surprisingly good money.

The father of three said he spent six months in Libya in 2020 earning more than $2,000 a month.

And of course, citizenship.

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791039173400375419

Seems it's real, more and more and more reporting published on it.



We're sending the Turkmen and Arabs on a grand adventure to Africa to guard mines with a monthly $1500 dollars payment for your families to survive only if you survive, that is if your gang leaders in the SNA don't steal it first (along with the $350 fee they take from your salary)

Also that business he wants to start. Will it be in Syria ? No... it'll be in Istanbul or Ankara.






Also, surprisingly good money.



And of course, citizenship.

French Foreign Legion with more steps. Not the worst idea if it could be used efficiently tbh.

 

[Bozan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791075119911014700

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790887927519514713

What is Aliyev doing with Putin ? Looks like an attempt to sabotage Georgia from starting the road to joining EU

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791039173400375419

Seems it's real, more and more and more reporting published on it.



We're sending the Turkmen and Arabs on a grand adventure to Africa to guard mines with a monthly $1500 dollars payment for your families to survive only if you survive, that is if your gang leaders in the SNA don't steal it first (along with the $350 fee they take from your salary)

Stop with your negativity! That's way more than I get paid as a defencehub forum mod. It's something to think about. The opportunity.....let me think.ahmm....do SADAT accept online applications?