TR Propulsion Systems

[what]

Good for Baykar and Competition is good, but the playing field is not level.

 

[Zafer]

https://slingaircraft.nz/aircraft/sling-2/

A new 2 seater plane with a 100hp engine has the following specs

 

[Zafer]

TM100 engine of Baykar has two large alternators that provide electric power to the electrical systems on board. This takes power away from the propulsion leaving 100 hp to the propulsion. However a civilian system will not need as much power for the electrical systems. So a derivative engine from this engine can use smaller alternators and have a bigger power left for propulsion. I am guessing such a derivative engine can have as much as 110 hp to 115 hp propulsion power, looking at the large size of the alternators. This kind of power can be used to power both 2 seater and 4 seater airplanes. Rotax has 141 hp and the new 160 engines for 4 seaters but 115 hp is reportedly also used for 4 seaters.

Below is a new design 3 place fast-build KIT plane that uses 2 Rotax engines. Twin engines increase safety. The Florida maker invented this plane for a National Geographic video shoot in DR Congo and he needed a safe plane that will not emergency land as everywhere is covered with rainforests and the only way to land is to go back to base. He sold 275 kits until two and a half years ago. Mostly used for sightseeing. During his stay in DR Congo a military coup occurred and with 6 hours flight time he felt safer in the air than he would be on the ground, he said.

 

[Strong AI]

TUSAŞ Deputy General Manager Prof. Dr. Fahrettin Öztürk:

'We don't have an engine development project for Hürjet.'

The engine currently used by Hürjet is the GE F404 engine. Certain agreements have been made regarding this engine, and specific approvals are awaited, but TEI has the capability to produce it if production permission is obtained.

TEI can produce this engine like the F110. You might ask if TEI can develop such an engine? They can, but that's not on our agenda. Our current agenda is to develop the Kaan engine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1914602832126214564

TBF it makes sense that they concentrate on KAAN's engine. Of course an indigenous engine for Hürjet would be great, but KAAN means to have air superiority, so we need that indigenous engine for KAAN as soon as possible.

We have limited capital, both in financial and manpower terms, as well as in industrial and technological capacity. Why waste it on a project that is not crucial to us when we already have an engine project that is more important than any other? Hürjet is of secondary importance as it is just a trainer (no matter how much TAI wants to sell it as a combat aircraft as well), albeit a very advanced one, and we can get engines for a trainer far easier than we could for a proper fighter jet.

Honestly worst case plan would be just make a deal with spain so they manufacture and sell jointly and we get a cut, win win, but slightly less profit vs if we did it. Im sure we can buy enough engines for our use.

Let us continue here.

 

[mTT]

TEI-PD170​

 

[Zafer]

Rotax does not have a distributor in Türkiye, an Italian company is assigned as the distributor. At some point Baykar was either the distributor or the service center for Türkiye. All the more reason for Baykar engines to cater to the civilian market. Türkiye does a poor job in having a civilian general aviation sector. There is like 230 or so light sport aircraft in Türkiye while there are around 225.000 in the USA, nearly a thousand fold. A government initiative should be started to invigorate the Turkish LSA sector. We should have like 20.000 planes flying. Now that we are suppressing terror for the most part people should fly more and discover more of the country and the friendly countries.

Luciano Sorlini s.p.a. is the exclusive authorized distributor of BRP-Rotax GmbH & Co. KG for Albania, Bosnia And Herzegovina, Croatia, Cyprus, Gibraltar, Greece, Holy See (vatican City State), Italy, Malta, Pakistan, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia, Spain, Turkey, dealer and service station for Aeroquip, Sigma-tek and other of the most important manufacturers in aeronautical field.

 

[Sanchez]

Türkiye does a poor job in having a civilian general aviation sector.

That's because it's a poor country, don't have a high income middle class and our new money millionaires find spending money on Mercedes a better pastime.

Countries with a still existent GA sector are either rich and have tradition or ex soviet countries with tradition. A larger GA sector requires a complete renewal of SHGM and DHMİ, which I doubt they will anytime soon.

 

[Zafer]

That's because it's a poor country, don't have a high income middle class and our new money millionaires find spending money on Mercedes a better pastime.

Countries with a still existent GA sector are either rich and have tradition or ex soviet countries with tradition. A larger GA sector requires a complete renewal of SHGM and DHMİ, which I doubt they will anytime soon.

There are more things at play than money and tradition. The US has 5500 airports and a vast geography. Those airports are built to be used during WW2. Similar with other countries, because of WW2 they have the tradition. They have it because they had to because of the war. People will not get out of their comfort zone if there is no push to get out. And aviation is no joke you need to put effort in it to be an aviator. However in today's world automation will take the burden out of aviation and there will be more fun and less pain. Planes will fly themselves with very little input from the rider. Also having the flying machines cheaper will attract more people into aviation. SHGM is slow to react but that's because there is not much demand yet and there hasn't been supporting circumstances either like having very few airports in general aviation and other discouraging reasons but they are changing too.

Flying cars, easy to fly planes, smaller cost of ownership, easier regulations, short runway capabilities, and the hype in the personal flight world will move some needles for sure.

 

[Boykaz]

If Baykar wants to expand into the civilian sector, I believe the most strategic way to do so would be through the *cargo industry*.

For example, Baykar could develop *unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs)* capable of carrying *up to 5 tons of cargo* over *4,000–5,000 km*. These UAVs could be used to fulfill international orders or serve in *humanitarian aid operations*.

The technological foundation for this already exists. The *two TS-1400 engines developed by TEI* would be sufficient for such an aircraft. The design could be a larger, cargo-optimized version of Akıncı—perhaps in a rectangular shape to better accommodate freight.

Just imagine: *over 100 drones flying simultaneously*, delivering cargo without the need for pilots, and doing it more *cost-effectively*. These platforms could even be used for military logistics, such as transporting MAM-L munitions

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Wasn't Baykar supposed to work on a JV with Motor Sich of Ukraine on jet engines for the KE?
Does anyone know whether it's still capable after Russians targeted their factory a couple of months ago?