TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[TR_123456]

Pakistan is purchasing the J-35 fighter jet at a discounted price without having paid off the loan for the J-10. China is providing a new loan for the J-35 while deferring the repayment of the J-10 loan.

Since Pakistan is already repaying two separate aircraft loans, it cannot afford to purchase our KAAN fighter jet with an upfront payment.

Can we offer them credit? (We were unable to offer credit for warship sales to other countries.)

We dont need to,by the time they need some KAAN's there will be countries like KSA,QATAR and other GCC countries willing to pay for Pakistan as they did in the past.
KSA even paid for our F-16's in the past when we had no funds.
Dont forget,Pakistan is the only muslim country with nukes and our closest ally.
Pakistan would come immediately in a war time situation,who else would?
In 10 years our economy will be in better shape,even with bad leadership,no worries.

 

[TR_123456]

A very good news I guess! Yet I was kind of hoping that we could find partners who could contribute to development budget as well... Seems we are still alone in the hardest part yet finding customers to a finnished product to keep the TAI bussy and and to reduce the unit cost is almost equally important I guess.

Arent you forgetting the KSA an Qatar?

 

[Saithan]

So Hürjet MoU with Spain is a lie too? Oh no...

We only got some 20 engines for Hürjet for prototype usage etc. Still no approval of engine sale from US Senate. Without engines, what so we have ? Oh noo.....

 

[Strong AI]

A very good news I guess! Yet I was kind of hoping that we could find partners who could contribute to development budget as well... Seems we are still alone in the hardest part yet finding customers to a finnished product to keep the TAI bussy and and to reduce the unit cost is almost equally important I guess.

It looks like two MoU were signed, one for procurement and another one for cooperation.

Jakarta, IDM – Indonesia and Turkey have signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) for cooperation in the development of the fifth-generation fighter jet KAAN.

The signing of the MoU was witnessed by President Prabowo Subianto during the Indo Defence 2025 Expo & Forum at the Jakarta International Expo (JiExpo), Kemayoran, Jakarta, on Wednesday (June 11).

"President of the Republic of Indonesia, Prabowo Subianto, witnessed the signing of the memorandum of understanding (MoU) between the Indonesian Ministry of Defense and the Secretariat of Defense Industry of the Republic of Turkey. Both countries agreed to cooperate in the development of the fifth-generation fighter jet KAAN," stated the press release from the Indonesian Ministry of Defense on Wednesday.

The MoU was signed by Head of the Defense Facilities Agency (Kabaranahan) of the Indonesian Ministry of Defense, Air Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, and Secretary of the Turkish Defense Industry, Haluk Görgün.

The signing was also witnessed by Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal and Security Affairs Budi Gunawan, Minister of Defense Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin, and Indonesian Ambassador to Turkey, Achmad Rizal Purnama.

With this agreement, Indonesia, through PT Dirgantara Indonesia, is officially involved in the development of the KAAN fighter jet in collaboration with Turkey.

Disaksikan Prabowo, Indonesia-Turki Teken MoU Kerja Sama Pengembangan Jet Tempur Generasi Ke-5 KAAN - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Jakarta, IDM - Indonesia dan Turki menandatangani nota kesepahaman atau memorandum of understanding (MoU) kerja sama pengembangan jet tempur generasi

indonesiadefense.com

 

[Huelague]

I can imagine that some African states will also be our customers.

 

[Quasar]

I can imagine that some African states will also be our customers.

KAAN will be the backbone and the Future of Turkish Air force. No need for big words but I dont think we will face much difficulty in finding satisfactory amount of customers. Another advantage will be Unlike most 5 gens, KAAN will be a progressive platform i.e KAAN will develope gradually and in stages.

 

[Umigami]

When will 2nd prototype ready for roll out?

 

[mTT]

When will 2nd prototype ready for roll out?

TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:
"This year, two KAANs will take flight. We're also continuing the assembly of a static prototype. The first one will be completed by the end of this year, after which its flight tests will begin. The second one will follow shortly after. So, hopefully, at the beginning and in the middle of next year, we’ll see two KAANs flying together."

2 May 2025
TEKNOFEST TRNC

 

[Umigami]

TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:
"This year, two KAANs will take flight. We're also continuing the assembly of a static prototype. The first one will be completed by the end of this year, after which its flight tests will begin. The second one will follow shortly after. So, hopefully, at the beginning and in the middle of next year, we’ll see two KAANs flying together."

2 May 2025
TEKNOFEST TRNC

From my understanding 2nd prototype will be quiet different from the First one, right?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895924382050177451

Also on expo TAI still use old model for presentation (much different from first prototype). Are they still consider that model much closer to production version?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Kaan order book opened with an entry by Indonesia. Below map is my personal guess for the near future.

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Turkiye order is between 250 - 350 . Where u get that 100 number ?
We are not working with 20k people , spending 10+ billion development and 20 years just to order 100 aircraft . All f16 250 will be replaced by 250 kaans , than if we are good at economy and wars around us are still active , the numbers cam go beyond 300 easy ...

 

[mTT]

From my understanding 2nd prototype will be quiet different from the First one, right?

Yes, that's correct. Based on the information we gathered from two different brochures, there are noticeable differences. For example, the height of PT-0 is 20 ft, while PT-1 is 16 ft. That’s a 4 ft difference, which equals approximately 121 cm.

Also on expo TAI still use old model for presentation (much different from first prototype). Are they still consider that model much closer to production version?

If it's not a 1:1 scale mock-up, TAI doesn't update them. However, Maybe new mock-ups will be presented at IDEF, which will take place between July 22 and 27, 2025.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:
"This year, two KAANs will take flight. We're also continuing the assembly of a static prototype. The first one will be completed by the end of this year, after which its flight tests will begin. The second one will follow shortly after. So, hopefully, at the beginning and in the middle of next year, we’ll see two KAANs flying together."

2 May 2025
TEKNOFEST TRNC

so this year aircraft will fly or next year ?

 

[mTT]

so this year aircraft will fly or next year ?

I think there will be a flight in September-October 2025

 

[Radko]

From my understanding 2nd prototype will be quiet different from the First one, right?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895924382050177451

Also on expo TAI still use old model for presentation (much different from first prototype). Are they still consider that model much closer to production version?

No, they won't be massively different.

 

[Radko]

Yes, that's correct. Based on the information we gathered from two different brochures, there are noticeable differences. For example, the height of PT-0 is 20 ft, while PT-1 is 16 ft. That’s a 4 ft difference, which equals approximately 121 cm.




If it's not a 1:1 scale mock-up, TAI doesn't update them. However, Maybe new mock-ups will be presented at IDEF, which will take place between July 22 and 27, 2025.

How many times do I have to write it here? The "updated" PDF is not for P1, it is the correct size values for the P0.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Guys are you seriously saying turkish officials made up those numbers, timelines and specifications like KAAN being delivered with turkish engines?

Bro, it is nice to have enthusiasm. But the way it is told to the public and the reality are quite a bit different.
When we decided to buy F35, we were also a partner manufacturer country. We ”tentatively” committed to 100planes. After adding up the order quantities given at different times, our total order stood at 30 units. UK committed 138 to buy but so far only bought 48 planes. (43 delivered)

Jakarta, IDM – Indonesia and Turkey have signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) for cooperation in the development of the fifth-generation fighter jet KAAN.

That is exactly what I thought. Just like the 100 planes we committed tentatively, they are committing to 48+12. Nothing certain. In the meantime we will teach them how to build our KAAN as a 5th gen plane.

So this is just a MOU. Many things may change going forward.
Same with Hurjet. Spanish will want to mould our plane according to their needs. But they are more serious and have a good base for producing planes and their engines.

 

[Rooxbar]

Based on what? Wasn't the plan always 2025 for 2nd and 3rd prototype?
Can you provide a source for your last sentence?

Kotil: 2 adet KAAN savaş uçağı hatta | SavunmaSanayiST

TUSAŞ CEO'su Temel Kotil, KAAN savaş uçağının iki prototipinin daha montaj hattına alındığını ve KAAN'ın şu anda uçabilecek durumda olduğunu açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

2 adet KAAN üretim hattında

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii'nin 2 adet daha KAAN'ın üretimine başladığını açıkladı.

www.defenceturk.net

"2023 yılında hangardan çıkış yaptı. 2026 yılına kadar, 3 adet prototipin üretilmesi hedefleniyor."

3rd prototype by the end of 2025 was always the plan and had been reiterated in interviews multiple times. Comparatively with other programs, it would be the normal rate; 2nd and 3rd prototypes are produced mostly within a year after the first one for majority of modern fighters; most recent ones it comes down to 6 months). The first prototype was finished already by March 2023.

 

[Strong AI]

Kotil: 2 adet KAAN savaş uçağı hatta | SavunmaSanayiST

TUSAŞ CEO'su Temel Kotil, KAAN savaş uçağının iki prototipinin daha montaj hattına alındığını ve KAAN'ın şu anda uçabilecek durumda olduğunu açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

2 adet KAAN üretim hattında

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii'nin 2 adet daha KAAN'ın üretimine başladığını açıkladı.

www.defenceturk.net

"2023 yılında hangardan çıkış yaptı. 2026 yılına kadar, 3 adet prototipin üretilmesi hedefleniyor."

3rd prototype by the end of 2025 was always the plan and had been reiterated in interviews multiple times. Comparatively with other programs, it would be the normal rate; 2nd and 3rd prototypes are produced mostly within a year after the first one for majority of modern fighters; most recent ones it comes down to 6 months). The first prototype was finished already by March 2023.

You just confirmed what i did write. No?

 

[Rooxbar]

You just confirmed what i did write. No?

Nope, when you say in early 2023, that by the end of 2025 we will have two more prototypes, that heavily implies the production will be over by the end of 2025, one for 2024 another for 2025; you can't build two prototypes in 5 months.

 

[Strong AI]

Nope, when you say in early 2023, that by the end of 2025 we will have two more prototypes, that heavily implies the production will be over by the end of 2025, one for 2024 another for 2025; you can't build two prototypes in 5 months.

Are we already in 2026?