TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Fuzuli NL]

Great achievement from TAI!
Türkiye's first jet-powered aircraft is showing a lot of promise.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Mısır’da büyük rekabet: HÜRJET ve L-39NG | SavunmaSanayiST

3-5 Eylül tarihlerinde Mısır’daki El Alamein Havaalında’da gerçekleştirilecek Mısır Uluslararası Havacılık Fuarı’na Hürjet ve L-39NG uçakları damga vuracak.

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savunmasanayist is one of my favourite defence sites. But to hava a caption that says great rivalry is most puzzling and more than that, is belittling our Hurjet.
L-39NG is a small jet trainer and is in no where near Hurjet’s class.
It has a small 3900lbf US built turbofan engine that carries this plane to 0.7Mach subsonic speeds. Its maximum altitude is 37000ft.

Hurjet is powered by GE’s F404 engine that develops 11000lbf dry and 17700lbf wet thrust. It is capable of at least 1.4 Mach supersonic speeds and 45000ft max altitude.

They are worlds apart in performance and capabilities. Hurjet is at the top echelon of trainer aircrafts. It is like comparing fiat-500 with Mercedes.

 

[dBSPL]

Egypt wants to participate in the production of Hürjet. I think it can be a profitable business model for both sides. However, we need to create full unity on the issues that need a political solution, especially the EEZ issue and full reconciliation in Libya, and I personally do not agree with any industrial capability transfer before that. If there is going to be stalling on strategic issues, TAI's proposal in this tender should not include any industrial cooperation model that would provide any technical advantage over KAI. There is a huge market for the Hürjet, and over the next 20 years, more than 50 air forces, large and small, will renew their training jet fleets or consider the purchase of light attack jets. The current structure in Egypt had previously come to power through a military coup and threw away billions of dollars worth of defense and energy partnerships, including the ANKA program. I have always supported good relations with Egypt. Rapprochement between the two countries limits foreign interference in the region and serves the well-being and national interests of the people of both countries. But the routes and priorities along which this must proceed are clear.

 

[TheInsider]

Egypt is interested in Hürjet, UAVs, OPVs/corvettes from ASFAT, modernization of armored vehicles. Egypt is also interested in Kaan.

 

[boredaf]

Egypt is interested in Hürjet, UAVs, OPVs/corvettes from ASFAT, modernization of armored vehicles. Egypt is also interested in Kaan.

Well, they better start aligning themselves with our geopolitical goals then, as @dBSPL said. No fucking way that much business should be done with someone that is opposing us in the Eastern Med.

 

[somegoodusername]

Egypt wants to participate in the production of Hürjet. I think it can be a profitable business model for both sides. However, we need to create full unity on the issues that need a political solution, especially the EEZ issue and full reconciliation in Libya, and I personally do not agree with any industrial capability transfer before that. If there is going to be stalling on strategic issues, TAI's proposal in this tender should not include any industrial cooperation model that would provide any technical advantage over KAI. There is a huge market for the Hürjet, and over the next 20 years, more than 50 air forces, large and small, will renew their training jet fleets or consider the purchase of light attack jets. The current structure in Egypt had previously come to power through a military coup and threw away billions of dollars worth of defense and energy partnerships, including the ANKA program. I have always supported good relations with Egypt. Rapprochement between the two countries limits foreign interference in the region and serves the well-being and national interests of the people of both countries. But the routes and priorities along which this must proceed are clear.

I think we shouldn't take partners in our projects except maybe Azerbaijan. We can offer them a similar model as how US did with us in F-16 production. They get to produce some uncritical parts themselves, learn to maintain the planes, we get to have full sovereignty over our plane, don't have to negotiate with anyone on any issue.

 

[I_Love_F16]

I think we shouldn't take partners in our projects except maybe Azerbaijan. We can offer them a similar model as how US did with us in F-16 production. They get to produce some uncritical parts themselves, learn to maintain the planes, we get to have full sovereignty over our plane, don't have to negotiate with anyone on any issue.

Agree, no ToT except for close partners like Azerbaijan.

 

[dBSPL]

Agree, no ToT except for close partners like Azerbaijan.

In Özal's time, the F-16 was shown as a domestic fighter jet on election posters, if you know what I mean. Since there is above average industrial knowledge here, I think we will understand each other without writing everything clearly. In a nutshell, I think ToT is a good marketing statement against buyers who are not well consulted or for some reason weak buyers. Periodically scan the defense forums and social media of countries that aspire to Turkiye's model, they hang on this 'ToT' a lot, but no one is interested in the content. They can't analyze how we are going through certain paths, because even that is a process... You can appear to give a lot and give nothing, or you can appear to give nothing and give a lot. It depends on the infrastructure capacity of the receiving industry, its manpower and its ability to plan.

As for Egypt, my view is that it is one of the countries that we need on our side. The two countries can achieve great things together. I'm talking about a win-win model, not a one-way model, and a fair cooperation. So when two countries support each other industrially, it indirectly has a multiplier effect on the diplomatic influence of both countries. For example, Egypt becoming less dependent on the western defense bureaucracy can serve our interests as well as the interests of the Egyptian people. In a future where we are the main supplier and solution partner of the Egyptian army, no one can acts against Egyptian and Turkish interests in the eastern Mediterranean. But the first sentences of this story should be a compromise on the basic principles in my previous message and a full resolution of some main issues.

 

[dBSPL]

And what happens when egypt returns to civil leadership only to get couped again in a decade or two? Now haven't we given tech to a state that has proven to be unstable over the years?

You yourself stated just how many partnerships went down the drain when sisi came to power..

I cant see egypt as anything more than a customer and that is all, not a partner to get intertwined with that deep, if there is to be transfer it should be minimal and uncritical..unless tai is very strapped for sales

It was a mistake for Turkiye to get directly involved in Egyptian politics and take sides between the MB and the military tutelage. This MB issue is worthy of further discussion, and I have made extensive posts in other forums explaining my position. We made an organization that ideologically could never establish a long term trust relationship with Turkish culture and interests the main actor of Turkish foreign policy in the Arab geography. This was the short-sightedness of the previous government structure led by RTE, a now mostly purged version, fortunately geopolitical conditions have opened a window to make up for this mistake. In short, relations should be state-to-state, not faction-to-faction. The quickest way to do this is to harmonize high interests.

 

[zio]

Is it single set hürjet?

 

[Sanchez]

Is it single set hürjet?

Nope, just a bad model.

 

[Oublious]

Definition of "closeness" would include many other countries than Azerbaijan if you would ask our current policy-maker. They are using resources of Turkey for compensating their foreign policy failures. The reason we are giving so much to Egypt is they defeated Erdoğan government in Muslim Brotherhood struggle, also they played their very well in East Med. Sisi landed Ankara as a victor. I protest giving our national technology to countries current government is incapable of dealing with. I wish we had more than policy-maker in this issues. Sad. So sad...

lol

what did we gived egypt?

 

[somegoodusername]

lol

what did we gived egypt?

Turkish-Egyptian deals have favorable terms for Egypt and less favorable terms for Turkey, compared to an alternative scenario where the current government did not treat Egypt as an enemy in the region based on their inner-group Muslim Brotherhood ally ideology. Many of our defence deals with Egypt included tech transfers which Egypt took by leveraging their position in Mid East and East Med against Turkey.

 

[Oublious]

Turkish-Egyptian deals have favorable terms for Egypt and less favorable terms for Turkey, compared to an alternative scenario where the current government did not treat Egypt as an enemy in the region based on their inner-group Muslim Brotherhood ally ideology. Many of our defence deals with Egypt included tech transfers which Egypt took by leveraging their position in Mid East and East Med against Turkey.

againg what did we give away? I am not asking you what you are thinking but on paper what did we give away? Ther is no information but you have something.

 

[zio]

Nope, just a bad model.

No it looks single seat

 

[Samba]

No it looks single seat

Which, I think, makes it a bad model

 

[Sanchez]

CG, but looks very nice.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1831396292183851045

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Looks like an Egyptian pilot took the Hürjet for a spin over the pyramids with an Egyptian F-16 in tow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1831633182430478810

Funnily enough, there's a not so small chance both of these aircraft were built by TAI. TAI was contracted to build 45 F-16s for Egyptian Air Force in 90s, out of about 220 aircraft.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

CG, but looks very nice.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1831396292183851045

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Looks like an Egyptian pilot took the Hürjet for a spin over the pyramids with an Egyptian F-16 in tow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1831633182430478810

Funnily enough, there's a not so small chance both of these aircraft were built by TAI. TAI was contracted to build 45 F-16s for Egyptian Air Force in 90s, out of about 220 aircraft.

18:13

 

[Enderun]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833921264366293080

 

[Fuzuli NL]