TR Naval Programs

[TR_123456]

Most important part is AIP. Is there any update on where Türkiye's companies are with AIP?

''Turkish MILDEN are expected to use the AIP propulsion system. No decision has been made on what type will be used or whether a partnership will be formed. Currently, Gürbağ Savunma, known for its hydrogen-based solutions, is working on hydrogen-based propulsion systems for naval platforms in cooperation with STM. Considering Germany's counter-Turkiye stance on defence exports, cooperation with Siemens is the least likely option. However, with Spain's positive attitude to cooperation with Turkiye on naval platforms such as TCG ANADOLU (L-400) LHD and interest in further joint programmes, Abengoa, responsible for S-80 submarines' ethanol-based AIP system, might be an option. It is also known that companies such as ASPİLSAN and AYESAŞ have developed various AIP R&D projects. Establishing a stable development for MİLDEN's AIP system, whether fully local or partnership, is important to avoid programme delays.


Seas surrending Turkiye are not deep enough to hide nuclear powered submarines. The aircraft-carrier that Turkiye will construct will also open the country to open seas and oceans. The aircraft strike group requires submarine, It would not be a suprise if the submarine design is selected as nuclear powered one.


MİLDEN submarines will be larger than the current submarines in the Turkish Navy's inventory and possess a greater weapons capacity with eight torpedo tubes. Like the Reis class, they can use locally developed weapons like AKYA heavyweight torpedoes, Submarine-Launched ATMACA cruise missiles, and GEZGİN land-attack cruise missiles. Another important development for MİLDEN has been additional maintenance sites.''

Turkish Submarine MİLDEN's Construction to Start in 2025 | TURDEF

Chief of the Turkish Navy Ercüment Tatlıoğlu has stated that the construction of MİLDEN national submarines will begin in 2025.

turdef.com

 

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Having clarified that point, it would be nice to know, if you would bring some light to the very fact that, why we are pursuing an inferior gun for our second batch of I-Class frigates. Would it not be more feasible to ask MKE to develop our “Super-Rapid” version?

You are correct in the fact that what makes the Italian Super Rapid come to it’s own are in fact, the Vulcano rounds with 40km range and the DART guided anti aircraft rounds.

Would one be correct in thinking that, for “conventional” use, there would be very little advantage in having a Super Rapid over the MKE version?

I think this is related to Navy's approach, 'let us equip our platforms with secured locally produced line of products, to begin with' and they have contributed a lot to the national 76mm, frankly i would say MKE is more of the branding factory.

I think for now they rely on the future expected programmable shells and smart fuses developed by national means.

I can't be certain on the efficasy of 120 rpm vs 80 rpm, but it is worse of the worse which i would rather not have. We should at least introduce atom 76, smart fuses (like this one).

 

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''Turkish MILDEN are expected to use the AIP propulsion system. No decision has been made on what type will be used or whether a partnership will be formed. Currently, Gürbağ Savunma, known for its hydrogen-based solutions, is working on hydrogen-based propulsion systems for naval platforms in cooperation with STM. Considering Germany's counter-Turkiye stance on defence exports, cooperation with Siemens is the least likely option. However, with Spain's positive attitude to cooperation with Turkiye on naval platforms such as TCG ANADOLU (L-400) LHD and interest in further joint programmes, Abengoa, responsible for S-80 submarines' ethanol-based AIP system, might be an option. It is also known that companies such as ASPİLSAN and AYESAŞ have developed various AIP R&D projects. Establishing a stable development for MİLDEN's AIP system, whether fully local or partnership, is important to avoid programme delays.


Seas surrending Turkiye are not deep enough to hide nuclear powered submarines. The aircraft-carrier that Turkiye will construct will also open the country to open seas and oceans. The aircraft strike group requires submarine, It would not be a suprise if the submarine design is selected as nuclear powered one.


MİLDEN submarines will be larger than the current submarines in the Turkish Navy's inventory and possess a greater weapons capacity with eight torpedo tubes. Like the Reis class, they can use locally developed weapons like AKYA heavyweight torpedoes, Submarine-Launched ATMACA cruise missiles, and GEZGİN land-attack cruise missiles. Another important development for MİLDEN has been additional maintenance sites.''

Turkish Submarine MİLDEN's Construction to Start in 2025 | TURDEF

Chief of the Turkish Navy Ercüment Tatlıoğlu has stated that the construction of MİLDEN national submarines will begin in 2025.

turdef.com

I won't be too certain on gürbağ, Milden DPO negotiates with more serious and reliable actors ( ones who will not quit in 5 years or will be acquired or liquidified by any means) in regards of Milden project.

You can't rely to a newbie company backed by none of the giants when it is a strategic project.

 

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[UkroTurk]

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[UkroTurk]

For comparison Kraken UUV.
( They were also fair participant )

 

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I wonder how close they are to actually field that 40mm naval gun, we do need a domestic alternative to Italian one.

 

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At SAHA EXPO 2022, this was named KAAN.

 

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851880720450367816

Last TTHB design made available to the public, and another iteration will be done to satisfy TN.

Source material:

https://imdecafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Suat-Tozendemir_STM.pdf

 

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After the change in the TF-2000 weapon configuration, I was hoping that guided missiles could be launched with a vertical launch system in the TTHB project too, and perhaps the Hisar-D could be integrated into these corvettes in this way. But as expected, the canister launcher was not abandoned.