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[boredaf]

What value does an SSN add over a large AIP SSK with VLS

As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but nuclear submarines usually carry far more torpedoes/missiles than diesel submarines, as they are usually far larger. And since Mediterranean is deep sea, they could remain pretty well hidden and remain submerged for far longer which gives them an advantage in first strike capability. So it wouldn't be for just force projection, it would increase our naval power in our own waters and I think that should be our first and foremost aim when planning not just our navy but all of our military.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Idea of the Navy appears to be a nuclear submarine being a pillar of the CSG, not a substitute for MUGEM. They see it as a paver and an extra eye to hang around at the front.

 

[uçuyorum]

As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but nuclear submarines usually carry far more torpedoes/missiles than diesel submarines, as they are usually far larger. And since Mediterranean is deep sea, they could remain pretty well hidden and remain submerged for far longer which gives them an advantage in first strike capability. So it wouldn't be for just force projection, it would increase our naval power in our own waters and I think that should be our first and foremost aim when planning not just our navy but all of our military.

I mean depends on size. Ohio class is 16000 tonnes and can carry 7 tomahawk in a cell or same cell can carry one ballistic missile. It's huge, heavier than ticonderoga cruiser

 

[boredaf]

I mean depends on size. Ohio class is 16000 tonnes and can carry 7 tomahawk in a cell or same cell can carry one ballistic missile. It's huge, heavier than ticonderoga cruiser

Ohio class is a nuclear submarine though?

 

[uçuyorum]

Ohio class is a nuclear submarine though?

Yes that's what I was responding to, you can have huge nuclear subs, there are those smaller than milden as well.

 

[boredaf]

Yes that's what I was responding to, you can have huge nuclear subs, there are those smaller than milden as well.

And I would expect that we would want something definitely bigger. Then, we can have more than enough force to protect our claims around Mediterranean with far fewer risks than a carrier group would face.

 

[chngr]

What value does an SSN add over a large AIP SSK with VLS?

More speed...and it can sustain this all the time

 

[Anmdt]

What value does an SSN add over a large AIP SSK with VLS? Greater endurance over open seas.

Particularly these two matters:

Higher submerged speed - evasion once detected or fleeing after delivering payloads (mines, spy AUVs etc.), yet contradicts the silence propulsion while doing so and only to be used when submarine is "detected", or when the crew believes they are detected.

Eliminating snorkeling, it is done frequently and not really a cool event, the sub can neither cease it immediately and dive, if caught, and it is necessary for the batteries.

Plus batteries are not cool, heats up and constantly cooled if loaded heavily and generates gases (particularly at high speeds).

Does it worth the bang? I am not sure too, it is currently just a plan ahead of Milden. We first will have Milden-I, then Milden-II and maybe lastly what they call as "Nukden". Officially circulating with the high command so they have it in the long term plans since awhile ago, but "long term" here is crucial. Probably referrring to 20+, 30+ years from now.

And i am assured at those dates SMR's will be something similar to submarine diesel engines which you may plug and go.

 

[Saithan]

Particularly these two matters:

Higher submerged speed - evasion once detected or fleeing after delivering payloads (mines, spy AUVs etc.), yet contradicts the silence propulsion while doing so and only to be used when submarine is "detected", or when the crew believes they are detected.

Eliminating snorkeling, it is done frequently and not really a cool event, the sub can neither cease it immediately and dive, if caught, and it is necessary for the batteries.

Plus batteries are not cool, heats up and constantly cooled if loaded heavily and generates gases (particularly at high speeds).

Does it worth the bang? I am not sure too, it is currently just a plan ahead of Milden. We first will have Milden-I, then Milden-II and maybe lastly what they call as "Nukden". Officially circulating with the high command so they have it in the long term plans since awhile ago, but "long term" here is crucial. Probably referrring to 20+, 30+ years from now.

And i am assured at those dates SMR's will be something similar to submarine diesel engines which you may plug and go.

Do you know if there any work in progres on making smaller and more compact nuclear power plant for submersible platforms ? In the world I mean. I would imagine that we would need to be able to build our own nuclear power plants in order to venture into anything like nuclear subs, but I could be wrong.