TR Propulsion Systems

[Strong AI]

Not only that but Mete Yarar thinks that the development of indigenous Kaan engine will probably be finished by the year 2026 which I guess is quite likely.

I wonder if he meant the prototype back then. If yes, this means TEI/TRMOTOR will pull off this feat without any delays. (I am only talking about the prototype)

 

[Pokemonte13]

Yes, you remember it correctly, and that hasn't changed. In fact, the TAI CEO's mention of early tests in (by the end of) 2026 is confirmation of that. We announced here that early tests might start in 2026, when no other forum or news outlet reported. Increased interest in KAAN project also shows that possible customers are convinced about the roadmap, and the engine project is on track. According to the current roadmap/projection, flight tests will start in the first half of 2030 at the worst-case scenario. Mechanical fitting/integration will start in late 2028 at the earliest.

BTW mass production contract of TS-1400 might be signed this year or early 2026. There is a slim chance it might be signed at IDEF. The certification process is mostly completed.

isin't gökbeys second package in 2028 by the way they increased the first package to 26 or something like that and were are they?

 

[Zafer]

I wonder if he meant the prototype back then. If yes, this means TEI/TRMOTOR will pull off this feat without any delays. (I am only talking about the prototype)

Likely so, which is in line with recent indications of the progress which we had discussed recently. People should take into account that you can rush development and go to deployment before the engine reached full maturity. An engine which is expected to run before 2027 can be made to operate satisfactorily for deployment in first half of 2029. Two and a half year time for improvements before going into production should be sufficient given the engine is already needed urgently as it is our only viable option to take us to an operational fighter. You don't wait until everything becomes perfect as it is not a plane to use for leisure activity, it is a plane that will be used to take risks by our heroes. Further development will continue while the engine is already in production and upgrades be made as progress is made. Any extra investment in this development will make the engine more mature before deployment. I would take 2029 deployment as a firm date and only consider how mature the engine will be a variable. We deploy no matter how mature it is, that is.

 

[Strong AI]

Why don't we cooporate with R-R on engine projects which we are lacking right now?

"United Kingdom: Türkiye is a key partner for the UK through strong military integration and defense industry cooperation."

İngiltere'den son dakika Türkiye duyurusu! 'Kilit ortak'

Haber 7 - Son dakika haberi... İngiltere'de hükümetin yayımladığı yeni ulusal güvenlik stratejisi belgesinde, Türkiye'nin güçlü askeri entegrasyon ve savunma sanayi iş birliği sayesinde İngiltere için kilit ortak olduğu bildirildi.

www.haber7.com

 

[mTT]

Why don't we cooporate with R-R on engine projects which we are lacking right now?

"United Kingdom: Türkiye is a key partner for the UK through strong military integration and defense industry cooperation."

İngiltere'den son dakika Türkiye duyurusu! 'Kilit ortak'

Haber 7 - Son dakika haberi... İngiltere'de hükümetin yayımladığı yeni ulusal güvenlik stratejisi belgesinde, Türkiye'nin güçlü askeri entegrasyon ve savunma sanayi iş birliği sayesinde İngiltere için kilit ortak olduğu bildirildi.

www.haber7.com

They do not provide technology transfer.

 

[Strong AI]

They do not provide technology transfer.

Do we need technology transfer? Our propulsion related companies can already develop Turbojet/Turbofan/Turboshaft engine on their own. But those companies also have their hands full with projects and Türkiye doesn't have many aviation engine related engineers i guess.
So i am more talking about to offload the work to R-R.

 

[uçuyorum]

We want to export kaan to pakistan and others

Do we need technology transfer? Our propulsion related companies can already develop Turbojet/Turbofan/Turboshaft engine on their own. But those companies also have their hands full with projects and Türkiye doesn't have many aviation engine related engineers i guess.
So i am more talking about to offload the work to R-R.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Why don't we cooporate with R-R on engine projects which we are lacking right now?

"United Kingdom: Türkiye is a key partner for the UK through strong military integration and defense industry cooperation."

İngiltere'den son dakika Türkiye duyurusu! 'Kilit ortak'

Haber 7 - Son dakika haberi... İngiltere'de hükümetin yayımladığı yeni ulusal güvenlik stratejisi belgesinde, Türkiye'nin güçlü askeri entegrasyon ve savunma sanayi iş birliği sayesinde İngiltere için kilit ortak olduğu bildirildi.

www.haber7.com

They do not provide technology transfer.

They were ready to provide TOT and produce an engine together with Kale through the company they formed as a JV called TAEC , to propel KAAN. But they would not relinquish their IP rights to us. They were ready to allow for engines and any planes that were powered by them to be sold freely to third parties.

First we introduced a Qatari entity in to the equation which they rejected. (They didn’t mind sharing tech with us ; but not with the Qataris)
Then after Qatar pulled out of TRMotor partnership, our IP rights insistence was a deal breaker.

Still, RR, as far as I know, is among the consortiums partners that is designing the TF35000. There is extensive discussions on the matter in previous pages (re: @Cabatli_TR posts)

 

[Strong AI]

We want to export kaan to pakistan and others

I am not talking about TF35000, we are already doing it.
I am talking about e.g. Hürjet, T925, T929...
For example we plan to start the TS3000 project, imo with RR it should finish much faster.

 

[Oublious]

They were ready to provide TOT and produce an engine together with Kale through the company they formed as a JV called TAEC , to propel KAAN. But they would not relinquish their IP rights to us. They were ready to allow for engines and any planes that were powered by them to be sold freely to third parties.

First we introduced a Qatari entity in to the equation which they rejected. (They didn’t mind sharing tech with us ; but not with the Qataris)
Then after Qatar pulled out of TRMotor partnership, our IP rights insistence was a deal breaker.

Still, RR, as far as I know, is among the consortiums partners that is designing the TF35000. There is extensive discussions on the matter in previous pages (re: @Cabatli_TR posts)

They could have accepted for the first blocks. Later, design a new engine. But hey, we love to push our boundaries ...

 

[Strong AI]

The domestic and national engine LEVEND, developed by BMC POWER, was integrated into the Tugboat-25 owned by the Istanbul Shipyard Command and began service on July 18.

With approximately three times the traction power, it successfully completed its first test voyage by docking Atatürk’s legacy, TCG Savarona, at the port.

We continue to work and produce for our country!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946598145443438657

 

[Yasar_TR]

The domestic and national engine LEVEND, developed by BMC POWER, was integrated into the Tugboat-25 owned by the Istanbul Shipyard Command and began service on July 18.

With approximately three times the traction power, it successfully completed its first test voyage by docking Atatürk’s legacy, TCG Savarona, at the port.

We continue to work and produce for our country!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946598145443438657

One thing I would like to know why it is LEVEND and not LEVENT !!!
I can understand that MURAD is the acronym of Milli Uçak RADarı. But what is LEVEND?

While "Levent" is both a name and a title for a sailor or military officer during the Ottoman period, the word "levend" generally carries negative connotations such as "idle, unemployed." Furthermore, "levend" is the Persian form of the word "levent."

It doesn’t sit well with the Arabisation of Turkish names either.

 

[Strong AI]

One thing I would like to know why it is LEVEND and not LEVENT !!!
I can understand that MURAD is the acronym of Milli Uçak RADarı. But what is LEVEND?

While "Levent" is both a name and a title for a sailor or military officer during the Ottoman period, the word "levend" generally carries negative connotations such as "idle, unemployed." Furthermore, "levend" is the Persian form of the word "levent."

It doesn’t sit well with the Arabisation of Turkish names either.

Only thing i can find is that Levend is the ottoman version of Levent, but i can't confirm it.

 

[Sanchez]

I can understand that MURAD is the acronym of Milli Uçak RADarı.

I honestly had no idea.

 

[Turkic]

Only thing i can find is that Levend is the ottoman version of Levent, but i can't confirm it.

It is correct. Names usually end with "d" instead of "t" in Arabic linguistic culture, which affects Ottoman through the alphabetical culture.

 

[No Name]

One thing I would like to know why it is LEVEND and not LEVENT !!!
I can understand that MURAD is the acronym of Milli Uçak RADarı. But what is LEVEND?

While "Levent" is both a name and a title for a sailor or military officer during the Ottoman period, the word "levend" generally carries negative connotations such as "idle, unemployed." Furthermore, "levend" is the Persian form of the word "levent."

It doesn’t sit well with the Arabisation of Turkish names either.

How does the word exist in other Turkic languages? If it is LEVEND, I personally don't mind its use if other Turkic countries adopt it, but if it is solely for the arabization of the Turkish language, then I agree with you.

 

[TheInsider]

It should be Levent, even if it ends with "d" it should be converted to "t" according to the rules of the Turkish language. Murad is different. Murad is short for Milli Uçak RADarı (M-U-RAD). Levend doesn't stand for anything.

 

[Zafer]

I would think of names like code names rather than literal names. Levent is used as a man's name in the modern day and seldom used to mean the marines. Levent is converted to levend when it receives a possessive suffix. I would choose levend over levent as it becomes a distinctive private name rather than a common name. Similar to Kaan instead of Kağan. A stylized name that stands out.

 

[Strong AI]

As part of IDEF 2025, the Secretariat of Defence Industries and TAİS Shipyards signed a landmark contract for the procurement of four National Coast Guard Ships, with the participation of Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün.

These indigenously built vessels will operate across Türkiye’s exclusive economic zones, coastal waters, and high seas—ensuring the protection of national sovereignty and maritime interests through a broad spectrum of missions.

Enforcement of sovereignty rights
Prevention of illicit maritime activity
Deterrence of threats
Search and rescue operations
Continuous surveillance and patrol duties
Protection of marine resources
Humanitarian aid during natural disasters
Robust operational capabilities under challenging sea states

With the first delivery scheduled within 26 months, this initiative marks a critical step toward enhancing Türkiye’s maritime security and operational deterrence.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1947973091134448029

As BMC POWER;

We signed a 2MW Main Propulsion Engine and Localization Protocol with ISOTTO FRASCHINI MOTORI for the National Coast Guard Ship.
We signed a Development Protocol with İŞBİR Elektrik for an Auxiliary Diesel Generator Set with a Domestic Engine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948074484822372792

 

[Saithan]

At the end end of the day, the Italian are the ones willing to do tech trade. I imagine Baykars deal with Piaggio probably had a big impact on this. Of course government likely had a hand in this deal too.

@Anmdt will the 2MW engine be enough for our the vessels its meant for ?