TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[YeşilVatan]

Hurjet will participate in the US Navy's training aircraft tender in 2028. Recently, we know that Turkish companies are building an ammunition factory in the United States and that they are going to produce a lot of ammunition. I wonder if they will give this tender to Hurjet?

No chance. Unless American MIC gets its cut, they would never go with Hurjet. And they can't milk the tender with Turkey involved. And even then we have a massive disadvantage just because of geopolitics.

Only sliver of chance is Elon and Vivek just wrecks the whole process and forces Americans to go with cost efficient options on non-critical equipment like trainer jets. And this has a real low possibility.

 

[what]

Hurjet will participate in the US Navy's training aircraft tender in 2028. Recently, we know that Turkish companies are building an ammunition factory in the United States and that they are going to produce a lot of ammunition. I wonder if they will give this tender to Hurjet?

Short answer: No. Longer answer: Did the US ever buy any foreign aircraft in significant numbers? They even scrapped a tender and changed the rules because Airbus beat Boeing in the tanker fleet tender.

 

[Sanchez]

Short answer: No. Longer answer: Did the US ever buy any foreign aircraft in significant numbers? They even scrapped a tender and changed the rules because Airbus beat Boeing in the tanker fleet tender.

Depends on the American partner. T-45 this tender set to replace was a British aircraft in BAe Hawk. BAe partnered with Mcdonnell to offer it. Its main rival was Franco German Alpha Jet jointly offered with Lockheed*. With Sierra Nevada, a much smaller company, chances are low without even entering the geopolitics of such a sale. I don't think they would have logistical issues with the aircraft if it was chosen however. US law clearly dictate any foreign system being pretty much buildable and serviceable in the US even if it's chosen. We wouldn't realistically be able to use it as a stick.

Came across the contenders for the old VTX-TS tender where Hawk was chosen.

• Rockwell T-2X
• Gulfstream "Peregrine" tandem-seat derivative
• Grumman/Beech
• Northrop/Vought
• General Dynamics/American Airlines (? ? ?)
• Rockwell NA-424
• Douglas D-7000 (with British Aerospace)
• AerMacchi MB-339 (with Advanced Technology Systems)
• Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet (with Lockheed California)
• McDonnell Douglas/British Aerospace Hawk

U.S. Navy VTXTS advanced jet trainer proposals

Another competition of interest was VTX for a navy trainer to operate from aircraft carriers. Now if a VTX thread was to start, then we have the Northrop-Vought entry, the McDonnell Douglas entry and the GD TS-81 entry. Any others?

www.secretprojects.co.uk

 

[what]

Shame that so many of these great companies don't exist any more or have been absorbed by 2-3 companies in the industry.

 

[Sanchez]

the Hürjet could be transformed into a platform that can meet the combat jet needs of many small-to-medium sized air forces in the world by providing a light attack capability that can be fully equivalent to the Gripen etc.

Advantage of the Gripen is to buy it you only need to persuade one country for the engines, Ej200 is a consortium project just like the EF-2000 itself. Getting Germans to sign off on a LCA sale to say an African country is a tall order. F404 would be easier. And if we think about a local solution, 3 different engines for a single jet seems like a waste to me. If the Spaniards are interested in paying the costs to make EJ200 fit into Hürjet and all those tests, all the power to them. It would only increase our bond over the aircraft.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

 

[Oublious]

“We don’t get what we need from Hawk today,” says the Chief of the Air Staff - AGN

Britain’s Chief of the Air Staff has criticised the service’s Hawk T.Mk 2 advanced jet trainer, and said that: “I would like to replace Hawk T2 as soon as we can.”

aerospaceglobalnews.com

Others suggest that the UK may have looked at Türkiye’s Hürjet – perhaps being bought in associaton with a Turkish buy of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Defence Secretary John Healey was recently photographed being shown the Hürjet’s cockpit.

 

[dBSPL]

“We don’t get what we need from Hawk today,” says the Chief of the Air Staff - AGN

Britain’s Chief of the Air Staff has criticised the service’s Hawk T.Mk 2 advanced jet trainer, and said that: “I would like to replace Hawk T2 as soon as we can.”

aerospaceglobalnews.com

Others suggest that the UK may have looked at Türkiye’s Hürjet – perhaps being bought in associaton with a Turkish buy of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Defence Secretary John Healey was recently photographed being shown the Hürjet’s cockpit.

It's a perspective we often encounter in UK defense circles. It is not clear how much this will resonate with their MoD, but we cannot say that there is no interest. For the Royal Air Force, if British avionics are integrated, the Hürjet could be an excellent solution in terms of both industry participation and total cost. This is because the business model TAI is offering with the Hürjet promises maximum flexibility in line with the requirements and logistics infrastructure of their air force as we will show with Spanish air force. On the other hand, if a light fighter variant can be developed with a more powerful engine produced at RR facilities, this could be an ideal platform for re-building the air forces of regional allies in areas of common interest, from Libya to Syria even extent to beyond.

 

[BaburKhan]

It's a perspective we often encounter in UK defense circles. It is not clear how much this will resonate with their MoD, but we cannot say that there is no interest. For the Royal Air Force, if British avionics are integrated, the Hürjet could be an excellent solution in terms of both industry participation and total cost. This is because the business model TAI is offering with the Hürjet promises maximum flexibility in line with the requirements and logistics infrastructure of their air force as we will show with Spanish air force. On the other hand, if a light fighter variant can be developed with a more powerful engine produced at RR facilities, this could be an ideal platform for re-building the air forces of regional allies in areas of common interest, from Libya to Syria even extent to beyond.

This mean we need an indigenous Engine for Hürjet in lonh term. In other Way I doubt the US would allow to supply Hürjet to Syrien and libyan Allies. It is very important to strengthen their Air Force's and Air Defence, in other Way Turkey could be overwhelmed to protect it's Allies.

 

[Saithan]

Truth be told we always needed an indigenous engine for our own jet, but Hürjet being the first platform we've made it's sufficient to have it fly using foreign engine. The knowledge we gain from having a platform fly like any other trainer jet in itself is invaluable, meaning extremely important. Once you've managed to deliver a platform that can perform extremely well, you can pretty much develop a trainer jet that will fly with any engine.

Developing your own engine is also difficult, but is another path that is being treaded. So, yes, when we have our own engine we will have more freedom to export to anyone we want.

The sanctions and hidden embargoes will always be present so we need to do these things individually. The Unmanned platforms are bandaids and can support us for a while, but even if we're pioneers in this without technological capability, economy, and supply chain we're still vulnerable to embargoes.

Hence it's important to prioritize domestic suppliers, but also ensure that domestic suppliers keep developing and don't laze on their asses. We Turks are world champion on that.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1880626644341416027

Nice update to specs especially increase to payload for Hürjet.

The website has not been updated, so we have to wait for confirmation...

 

[Turkic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1880626644341416027

Nice update to specs especially increase to payload for Hürjet.

The website has not been updated, so we have to wait for confirmation...

New Hürjet specs were shared and discussed before.

Hürjet specs were changed much more improved than before,especially rate of climb,sustained turn rate,and carry load

Also specs were updated when it was shared in the forum. Not in the website directly but at the pdf in the website.

Here it is:

 

[dBSPL]

Many criticized the possible LCA/LIFT variants based on the specs set for the acrotim and training, but it was already clear that the payload limit would increase significantly. It seems that a payload increase of around 25% has been achieved by sacrificing a flight range of around 10%. I am very optimistic that this can be further improved in the future with avionics and structural improvements. If only we could expand the engine options, because I think this is the most important issue limiting the potential of the Hürjet.

By way of comparison, a typical STOL payload for the AV-8B Harrier II is 2 external tanks, 4 JDAMS, 2 Sidewinders and LANTIRN Pod, with the now quite old AN/APG-65 radar. For the Hürjet Naval STOL jet, it can achievable that take off with a configuration consisting of 2 external tanks, 2 air-to-air missiles, 4 MK-83 type LGK, HGK, KGK or TEBER, Aselpod targeting pod, and Murad as AESA radar/EW suite. Although the Hürjet N has some disadvantages compared to the Harrier system, it provides a clear advantage especially in survivable and emergency situations such as maximum speed and climb/turn rate, etc, if it nevertheless be equivalent in terms of typical task load. Also there will probably be a generation difference between the two aircraft in terms of avionics.

edit: And this: The following concept will create an important asymmetric element in naval warfare, of which more primitive examples are already being used by Ukraine with great success. As an air control aircraft, the Hürjet can also provide command and control of a range of USVs and UAVs, creating its own unique operations doctrine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1881084228357718519

 

[TheInsider]

I think the light fighter version of Hurjet should have an F-414 engine or we should ask RR to develop a single-engine version of EJ-200. It can achieve 1.6 Mach max speed with F414/EJ-200 and slight design optimizations.

 

[BaburKhan]

I think the light fighter version of Hurjet should have an F-414 engine or we should ask RR to develop a single-engine version of EJ-200. It can achieve 1.6 Mach max speed with F414/EJ-200 and slight design optimizations.

Can not develop TRMotor a similar Engine like F414/EJ-200 ? It's better, also for possible Exports.

 

[boredaf]

Can not develop TRMotor a similar Engine like F414/EJ-200 ? It's better, also for possible Exports.

One impossible engine project not enough for you? It'd be an engineering feat of highest order if we get TF35K ready by 2030, there is no need to complicate things even more for Hürjet, no matter how much some want to believe in its importance or export potential.

 

[dBSPL]

Can not develop TRMotor a similar Engine like F414/EJ-200 ? It's better, also for possible Exports.

If we succeed in collaborating with Hürjet to the British along with the Spanish, we can also secure possible engine solutions for advanced variants. Developing a mid-class engine can be a huge gain for our aviation industry, but as @boredaf explained, the 35K engine is more important than anything else right now.

By the way, off-topic, but here are the eurojet's industrial participation for the EJ200: Hot section is British, compressors and ECU are German. Maybe RR, Kale and ITP can do something but there seems to be no need for such an engine in Europe while there is ej200...

 

[Yasar_TR]

If we succeed in collaborating with Hürjet to the British along with the Spanish, we can also secure possible engine solutions for advanced variants. Developing a mid-class engine can be a huge gain for our aviation industry, but as @boredaf explained, the 35K engine is more important than anything else right now.

By the way, off-topic, but here are the eurojet's industrial participation for the EJ200: Hot section is British, compressors and ECU are German. Maybe RR, Kale and ITP can do something but there seems to be no need for such an engine in Europe while there is ej200...
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Since Germany lifted their opposition to the supply of Typhoon jets, the EJ200 engines can be produced in house by Kale/RR for 40 planes(80+ engines) and 90 Hurjets (100 engines).
On top of these if we export Hurjets and go for another squadron of Typhoons there could be an optional quantity of some 70-80 engines. That is a total of 260+ engines.
A reasonable price point can be achieved for the single use of EJ200 when you add approximately 50 more navalised engines needed for the Hurjet Naval too.